Anti-Deanites: will you vote for Dean against Bush?

[tweedyburd]

Originally posted by machinaddict


And I don't seem to recall Saddam having suitcases full of gold and unmarked bills when they found his dirty smelly ass in a hole in the ground. If he had all that money, wouldn't he have fled long ago?

If you're not even aware of all the American cash they found on Saddam when they arrested him, why should I consider anything you have to say?

[tweedyburd]

Originally posted by Homerpalooza

The Moral Case For Howard Dean: TNR Online

TNR endorsed Lieberman for the nomination, so they can't be all that bad

[Irrelevant]

Originally posted by tweedyburd


If you're not even aware of all the American cash they found on Saddam when they arrested him, why should I consider anything you have to say?

well, you also said he had "millions" when he actually had $750,000 according to the reports i read.

[Pudge]

Citing articles doesn't mean shit. Example:

January 14, 2004
Kerry Turning Some Iowans Into Believers in His Cause
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

INTON, Iowa, Jan. 13 — He is no firebrand preacher, but more and more Senator John Kerry is seeing audiences that sound like revival meetings.

"Amen! Aaaaamen!" Barry Cheeney, 44, a father of two, screamed when Mr. Kerry promised on Saturday in Davenport never to make American "sons and daughters" fight overseas to defend America's dependence on Mideast oil.

In Dover, N.H., on Thursday, Mr. Kerry, of Massachusetts, was riffing on health care and how he had been cured of cancer. "I had the best health care in the world," he said, setting up his promise to give everyone access to the same health plan that senators enjoy. "Why?"

A woman yelled, "Because God's got a plan for you!" The audience of 500 thundered approval.

On Wednesday, Mr. Kerry tripped over people on the floor of a packed Veterans of Foreign Wars post. Even Republicans raised their hands and announced conversions on the spot.

"I'll be very honest with you," Shirley Cohen of Hollis, N.H., said. "I was a Republican. I changed to become independent two months ago. I was very strongly leading toward another candidate. But you've very thoroughly convinced me tonight."

Other candidates may be talking about religion, but at almost every stop in Iowa, Mr. Kerry is making believers of large numbers of Democrats and others who say they are unimpressed by Howard Dean, unsure of John Edwards's experience and uninspired by Richard A. Gephardt in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

After hearing Mr. Kerry on Monday in Muscatine, Ray and Sharon Kapteina, who caucused for George W. Bush in 2000, said they were re-registering as independents to caucus for Mr. Kerry.

"He makes me feel like he's a leader," Mr. Kapteina, 56, a contract analyst, said.

If this is a revival, it could not have arrived at a more crucial time. With six days until the caucuses, Mr. Kerry is battling from well behind in the polls. An unexpectedly strong showing could send him back to New Hampshire with buzz and momentum, and anything but a strong showing could end his candidacy.

On Tuesday, Mr. Kerry campaigned across eastern Iowa with fellow military veterans, whom his advisers say could prove a stealth weapon of sorts. Steve Warnstadt, a state senator from Sioux City who was in the Persian Gulf war, said that 3,000 Iowa veterans had signed up as supporters and that thousands more had informally agreed to caucus for Mr. Kerry.

There is little way to know whether there is a surge for Mr. Kerry, let alone how strong it may be. Polls of Iowa Democrats, which are notoriously unreliable, show him third, well behind Dr. Dean but within six percentage points of Mr. Gephardt.

Mr. Kerry is still inconsistent on the trail, particularly when he is tired. On Friday in Altoona, he barked at a voter who questioned him on Iraq. In Cedar Rapids on Saturday, Em Merulla, who said she was leaning for Dr. Dean, watched Mr. Kerry for the second time in a week and said he had improved.

"It was a touch of desperation that night," Ms. Merulla said. "You just felt he was slipping."

But those are exceptions now, and one of Mr. Kerry's strengths here is his field organization, which is turning out hundreds of people to see him, even in small towns like Fort Madison.

"I think people have doubts," Mr. Kerry said in an interview on Tuesday. "They're still looking, and some are switching."

Joan Groh is one of those.

"The more I hear, the more I like," Ms. Groh, a retired teacher, said after hearing Mr. Kerry take questions on Monday in Fort Madison.

Dorothy O'Malley, a retired insurance agent, said, "I've been waffling between him and Edwards."

But Mr. Kerry's warmth won her over. "In person, it comes across," she said. "And my son was in Vietnam, too. I think I feel a real kinship, without a doubt."

[tweedyburd]

Originally posted by Irrelevant


well, you also said he had "millions" when he actually had $750,000 according to the reports i read.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted it, but didn't beleive it was necessary enough to the point to go back and fix it. And I didn't pose the amount as fact, hence the question mark at the end.

Anyway, the point was that he had a shit load of American dollars...

[machinaddict]

Originally posted by tweedyburd


Yeah, I realized that after I posted it, but didn't beleive it was necessary enough to the point to go back and fix it. And I didn't pose the amount as fact, hence the question mark at the end.

Anyway, the point was that he had a shit load of American dollars...

He also had many palaces and lived like a king in his country.
But my point wasn't about Saddam having money, it was about there being no weapons of mass destruction. Maybe he was looking for them. I remember awhile back when the PS2 came out and Iraq tried to purchase 500 units because they wanted to use the processors to build missile guidance systems. But to actually say that he had huge stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons and was planning to use them against the US and then there be nothing there is pretty shady.

[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by sppunk
Less than a week before the caucus, I am sure every campaign is gaining a lot of supporters. The 4.8 million "not yet decide" voters are finally choosing. And, I doubt somehow Edwards has gained 4.8 million voters in the past four days.

Look at poll numbers. Kerry and Edwards are charging like motherfuckers. Edwards in particular is stealing votes from Gephardt, whose campaign is slipping. Dean's is completely stagnant.

Look at the latest Zogby polls. New ones will come out in six or seven hours, but at least in the ones for Wednesday, Kerry was tied with Gep. And Edwards is gaining a lot of steam, and he's going to benefit from being a lot of people's second choice. I can pretty much guarantee you most of the Clark people are going to go for him, and I bet the undecided voters go for either Kerry or Edwards. Gephardt could slip to fourth in this thing.

[Homerpalooza]

Originally posted by tweedyburd

TNR endorsed Lieberman for the nomination, so they can't be all that bad

Don't get me started on TNR (as a whole). This article's like a diamond in a pile of shit, as far as I'm concerned.

[Nimrod]

Originally posted by machinaddict
But to actually say that he had huge stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons and was planning to use them against the US and then there be nothing there is pretty shady.

Yeah, that wasn't the claim there, chachi. The claim was that they would have no qualms about selling them to the highest bidder (terrorists).

[Pudge]

Umm try reading a little closer there. Bush said Saddam was both a threat to use them and to sell them.

[tweedyburd]

Originally posted by Homerpalooza

Don't get me started on TNR (as a whole). This article's like a diamond in a pile of shit, as far as I'm concerned.

I thought their endorsement editorial for Lieberman was exceptional.

TNR, to me, represents the Democratic side of old, sometime before they lost their way in a fog of naivety....

[Salena Child]

bush. whooo.