USC No. 1 in polls, but shut out of BCS - Page 2

FearFactory · 12-07-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by MisterSquishyHalo

Whats empty about it? they will be national champs?

It's just so PC and ridiculous. There should be one champion and one champion only.. and yes, a playoff system would be the best way to achieve this.

jczeroman · 12-07-2003, 07:43 PM

I think Pete Carrol is smart. Just watch. Once they trounce Michigan by 30 points, he will be blasting the BCS. He'll look like an ass though if he blasted it now, but then lost to Michigan. So he is going to concentrate on Michigan, destroy them, and then do the "see, I told you so." Same thing Oregon did in 2001.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-07-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Eulogy

I said we haven't heard any bitching from them yet. I'm talking about fans and such for the most part. They can't say anything if USC loses.

True if USC loses then all arguements are mute...thats why I want them to win.

BCS needs to go down, a USC win will make that happen quicker.

jczeroman · 12-07-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Eulogy

One loss doesn't negate such a dominant performance over the course of an entire season.

it does in a clutch game.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-07-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by FearFactory

It's just so PC and ridiculous. There should be one champion and one champion only.. and yes, a playoff system would be the best way to achieve this.

PC? what will be PC.. But yes, I agree there should be a mini playoff system of 8 teams.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-07-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman
Same thing Oregon did in 2001.

Oregon was not number 1 in 2001.

jczeroman · 12-07-2003, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by MisterSquishyHalo

Oregon was not number 1 in 2001.

but they were number 2, and a fuck of a lot better than nebraska. Who had a) 2 losses and b) a runner-up finish in their conference.

And Oregon destroyed Colarado while Nebraska got destroyed.

sppunk · 12-07-2003, 07:53 PM

If OU got left out, they could make the same argument USC fans make. Same with LSU. Hell, Bowling Green should be playing!

jczeroman · 12-07-2003, 08:02 PM

If a team can't win their division, then they shouldn't be able to win the national chanpionship. Eulogy was talking abotu meaning -- but the K-state game meant NOTHING! The fuckign conference champoinship meant jack shit because of the BCS.

sppunk · 12-07-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman
If a team can't win their division, then they shouldn't be able to win the national chanpionship. Eulogy was talking abotu meaning -- but the K-state game meant NOTHING! The fuckign conference champoinship meant jack shit because of the BCS.

But, many conferences don't have championship games. So, a team is actually hurt by playing one.

I don't think anyone can deny OU has been the most dominant team in the nation this year. They had a bad game against a damn good team. USC lost to a bad Cal team. It's all subjective on how you look at it.

jczeroman · 12-07-2003, 08:44 PM

The other thing is that I think a lot of this is based on ratings. The Rose Bowl really needed a Big-10 Pac-10 match up for ratings, so one wonders if this is just some kind of compromise for all us TV viewers.

Corganist · 12-07-2003, 08:50 PM

I don't believe that a team that: a) did not win its conference championship and b) got blown out 35-7 ( by a good team or not) this late in the season, deserves to be anywhere near the national championship. Say what you will about their season overall, OU choked in a big late season game, and that's something championship teams don't do.

That said, I'm afraid that Michigan's gonna beat USC, and thus let the BCS powers that be say that the system works.

12-08-2003, 12:34 AM

You know what's gay? Oklahoma is getting bashed like they don't deserve to play in the national championship because they lost one game at the end of the year. You know what? They won 12 straight. How many did the Kansas City Chiefs win before they lost to the Bengals?

Why are the standards so high for college football? OH THEY DIDN'T GO UNDEFEATED THEY SUCK! If they would have lost to someone like Texas or Colorado early on and they waxed Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship no one would be talking this mess but because they were banged up and tired after laying buckets of whoop ass on strong teams like Texas and finally had an off game they don't deserve to be national champs. That's fucking ludicrous.

That being said, the BCS will be dead if there are co-champs and rightfully so. This computer ranking system is G-A-Y gay. Like Trev Alberts said on SportsCenter last night, there are three teams that deserve a shot at the national championship.

The year Nebraska played Miami was proof enough that the system was totally flawed.

sppunk · 12-08-2003, 12:39 AM

The University of North Texas deserves a shot, kids.

wounded · 12-08-2003, 12:43 AM

Yeah all three of them only have one loss. and Oklahoma's was to a good Kansas State, but it does look bad that they didn't win their conference. I mean that is a pretty big time to fuck up. USC and LSU did win their conferences.

sawdust restaurants · 12-08-2003, 02:43 AM

We're going to have these arguments until there's a playoff system. There's just no way around that.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-08-2003, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by sppunk

But, many conferences don't have championship games. So, a team is actually hurt by playing one.

I don't think anyone can deny OU has been the most dominant team in the nation this year. They had a bad game against a damn good team. USC lost to a bad Cal team. It's all subjective on how you look at it.

This bad Cal team was 7-5 and going to a bowl game, sure, that doesnt compare to Kansas state's 10-2.

But USC lost to Cal at Cal, in triple OT, where as Oklahoma got its ass handed to them by 28 points

Also, Cal played KSU tough when it first met them.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-08-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by jczeroman
The other thing is that I think a lot of this is based on ratings. The Rose Bowl really needed a Big-10 Pac-10 match up for ratings, so one wonders if this is just some kind of compromise for all us TV viewers.

They also have a national championship on the line :-) and plus the pac-10/big-10 thing going on.

Myxomatosis · 12-08-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Eulogy
USC will lose to Michigan, and none of this will matter anyway.

12-08-2003, 12:09 PM

I like how Texas is now #4 even though Oklahoma humiliated them and the National Championship game is between #2 and #5.

Sayonara BCS.

jczeroman · 12-08-2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros

Sayonara BCS.

Prays that Mr. Rhino becomes president of college football.

Nimrod's Son · 12-08-2003, 12:29 PM

I'm waiting for the local hairdos here to try and blame it on "East coast bias."

We all know the legendary beaches of Oklahoma and the fabled historic original colony of Louisiana are behind it.

Debaser · 12-08-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
They won 12 straight. How many did the Kansas City Chiefs win before they lost to the Bengals?

I wouldn't use them as an example, since the chiefs are just spiraling down the drain after their loss.

12-08-2003, 12:52 PM

The BCS got it right. USC, LSU, OU all have one loss.

OU and LSU have the most difficult schedules and look at the one loss each.

LSU’ s is most impressive – Florida in a close loss
OU’s is not terrible – getting destroyed by a top 10 team
USC however lost to freaking Cal.

MisterSquishyHalo · 12-08-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by The Ace of Aces
The BCS got it right. USC, LSU, OU all have one loss.

OU and LSU have the most difficult schedules and look at the one loss each.

LSU’ s is most impressive – Florida in a close loss
OU’s is not terrible – getting destroyed by a top 10 team
USC however lost to freaking Cal.

LSU's losss was to a Florida team that was falling apart, and out of the top 25, they were ready to lynch Ron Zook.

OU got destroyed by a number 15 team.
freaking Cal is not so bad as you think, they are going to a bowl, and played the top 15 team close (KSU)

and USC lost in triple OT, not the slobber knocking that oklahoma got.

Also USC has been hot the past 6 weeks, where OU has lost the last game

again No matter anyways, I am glad that USC didnt make it.

This way the Rose Bowl gets the national championship game :-)

12-08-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Debaser

I wouldn't use them as an example, since the chiefs are just spiraling down the drain after their loss.

Yes true, but also consider that was the best start since like 96 or something. I think people expect far too much from these college teams, and I think these conference championship games are ludicrous when there's no playoff system.

How hard would it be to have an 8 team playoff? Or maybe even 16. Which would be better, all conference champions and 4 wildcards determined like the Hoops bracket, with the computer program as a TOOL not the be all end all. This would help the little schools that could be world beaters, wouldn't it be great to see a football final four? The neutral sites could be the bowls, with the championship game rotating betwen the Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, and Orange perhaps. It just makes sense.

OR we can get rid of the BCS and go back to the old system with conference bids in bowl games (i miss the Pac 10 v. Big 10 in the Rose, most of those games were great) and just argue and argue and have co-champions and shit.

sppunk · 12-08-2003, 01:17 PM

If someone bases a team's greatness around them playin gin a bowl one more goddamn time, I'm going to murder. THERE ARE LIKE 29 FUCKING BOWL GAMES NOW! Memphis!!!! is going to a bowl game. Hawaii!!! goes to a bowl game. Fort Worth has a bowl game now.

Everyone can bash the BCS, but maybe we should start paying attention to how college football rewards shitty teams with shitty seasons by letting them play in some random-ass Netphoria.org/Orange/CarMax Insight Bowl.

12-08-2003, 12:29 PM	#52
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	I'm waiting for the local hairdos here to try and blame it on "East coast bias." We all know the legendary beaches of Oklahoma and the fabled historic original colony of Louisiana are behind it. __________________ - Nimrod's Son: Problem Solver!

12-07-2003, 07:43 PM	#32
jczeroman Socialphobic Location: In my house. Posts: 14,465	I think Pete Carrol is smart. Just watch. Once they trounce Michigan by 30 points, he will be blasting the BCS. He'll look like an ass though if he blasted it now, but then lost to Michigan. So he is going to concentrate on Michigan, destroy them, and then do the "see, I told you so." Same thing Oregon did in 2001.

12-07-2003, 07:53 PM	#38
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,125	If OU got left out, they could make the same argument USC fans make. Same with LSU. Hell, Bowling Green should be playing!

12-07-2003, 08:02 PM	#39
jczeroman Socialphobic Location: In my house. Posts: 14,465	If a team can't win their division, then they shouldn't be able to win the national chanpionship. Eulogy was talking abotu meaning -- but the K-state game meant NOTHING! The fuckign conference champoinship meant jack shit because of the BCS.

12-07-2003, 08:44 PM	#41
jczeroman Socialphobic Location: In my house. Posts: 14,465	The other thing is that I think a lot of this is based on ratings. The Rose Bowl really needed a Big-10 Pac-10 match up for ratings, so one wonders if this is just some kind of compromise for all us TV viewers.

12-07-2003, 08:50 PM	#42
Corganist Minion of Satan Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,240	I don't believe that a team that: a) did not win its conference championship and b) got blown out 35-7 ( by a good team or not) this late in the season, deserves to be anywhere near the national championship. Say what you will about their season overall, OU choked in a big late season game, and that's something championship teams don't do. That said, I'm afraid that Michigan's gonna beat USC, and thus let the BCS powers that be say that the system works.

12-08-2003, 12:34 AM	#43
Mr. Rhinoceros Posts: n/a	You know what's gay? Oklahoma is getting bashed like they don't deserve to play in the national championship because they lost one game at the end of the year. You know what? They won 12 straight. How many did the Kansas City Chiefs win before they lost to the Bengals? Why are the standards so high for college football? OH THEY DIDN'T GO UNDEFEATED THEY SUCK! If they would have lost to someone like Texas or Colorado early on and they waxed Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship no one would be talking this mess but because they were banged up and tired after laying buckets of whoop ass on strong teams like Texas and finally had an off game they don't deserve to be national champs. That's fucking ludicrous. That being said, the BCS will be dead if there are co-champs and rightfully so. This computer ranking system is G-A-Y gay. Like Trev Alberts said on SportsCenter last night, there are three teams that deserve a shot at the national championship. The year Nebraska played Miami was proof enough that the system was totally flawed.

12-08-2003, 12:39 AM	#44
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,125	The University of North Texas deserves a shot, kids.

12-08-2003, 12:43 AM	#45
wounded Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,773	Yeah all three of them only have one loss. and Oklahoma's was to a good Kansas State, but it does look bad that they didn't win their conference. I mean that is a pretty big time to fuck up. USC and LSU did win their conferences.

12-08-2003, 02:43 AM	#46
sawdust restaurants Fucking Creep Location: On the East Coast Posts: 5,992	We're going to have these arguments until there's a playoff system. There's just no way around that.

12-08-2003, 12:09 PM	#50
Mr. Rhinoceros Posts: n/a	I like how Texas is now #4 even though Oklahoma humiliated them and the National Championship game is between #2 and #5. Sayonara BCS.

12-08-2003, 12:52 PM	#54
Boner Posts: n/a	The BCS got it right. USC, LSU, OU all have one loss. OU and LSU have the most difficult schedules and look at the one loss each. LSU’ s is most impressive – Florida in a close loss OU’s is not terrible – getting destroyed by a top 10 team USC however lost to freaking Cal.

12-08-2003, 01:17 PM	#57
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,125	If someone bases a team's greatness around them playin gin a bowl one more goddamn time, I'm going to murder. THERE ARE LIKE 29 FUCKING BOWL GAMES NOW! Memphis!!!! is going to a bowl game. Hawaii!!! goes to a bowl game. Fort Worth has a bowl game now. Everyone can bash the BCS, but maybe we should start paying attention to how college football rewards shitty teams with shitty seasons by letting them play in some random-ass Netphoria.org/Orange/CarMax Insight Bowl.