drugs

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by Ihaman
The conclusion I want you to draw is, there are just about as many long term physical/psychological effects for alcohol as there are cocaine. The only difference between the two is people justify alcohol with its legality. And last time I checked the law and mind are two completely seperate entities. One might think "Why would 'they' make it legal if it was bad for you". Simply put, too many people are addicted to it or use it as a basic social necessity. You're justifying your use of alcohol as "at least it isn't cocaine". You've never done cocaine so you're also using this as a basis for judgement. You might have seen plenty of people become addicted to it, but I can guarantee you've seen far more become addicted to alcohol, you just shrug it off or laugh...because stuff like that is usually considered funny.
More people per-year die from alchohol or alcohol related deaths each year than cocaine, it's a fact. The percentage of people who blindly ingest alchohol is far higher than any other substance on the planet. It's clearly more addictive than any amount of cocaine because it's blinded the administrative eyes through "We simply cannot make something like this illegal".

Every other substance is illegal except the ones that you simply cannot make illegal due to mass addiction or some degree of dependancy. Does that strike you as funny?

Alcohol stats are higher as far as use. I posted that already. Alcohol isn't naturally addictive (no more than say, chocolate or gambling).

What part of cocaine can kill you even on the first use are you not understanding?

Seriously, am I the only one who finds doing a line of coke as more dangerous than drinking a beer?

I live to huff paint!

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[I_was_aborted]

"Alcohol isn't naturally addictive (no more than say, chocolate or gambling). "

First off, how many fat kids you see stuffing chocolate into their faces till their mothers take them to staple up their stomachs? How many people have lost their life savings, their homes, their families ect due to gambling? A lot. Why the fuck are there lots of gamblers AA and support groups for over-eaters. Because those things are pretty addictive.

You can't argue alcohol's addictive powers. I've had friends and family fall victim to alcohol addiction. Lots of things are that are legal are addictive. You just don't hear about it until its time to make them illegal.(tobacco for example)

Also you do realize that by making Cocaine illegal the government has made a ton of money right? I hope you realize that...because the government is mostly responsible for your view of cocaine.

If you want to make anything illegal....all you have to do is show some deaths relating to it and claim its addictive. Look at all the drugs that we have listed...it goes right down the fucking list. Peopel claim almost every drug is addictive in reports by non-drug users. You don't know shit about cocaine until you do it. That is the same with all drugs and also most things in life.

I never trash talked skiiing until I strapped those stupid fucking pieces of wood to my feet and pointed myself down a snow covered hill. I don't see why you would act like you know about something when you have never even encountered it.

[the]

Originally posted by cap'n jazz
IS LOVE A DRUG YOU GUYS???????????????????????????

YES, CALUM.

[the]

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
"Alcohol isn't naturally addictive (no more than say, chocolate or gambling). "

First off, how many fat kids you see stuffing chocolate into their faces till their mothers take them to staple up their stomachs? How many people have lost their life savings, their homes, their families ect due to gambling? A lot. Why the fuck are there lots of gamblers AA and support groups for over-eaters. Because those things are pretty addictive.

You can't argue alcohol's addictive powers. I've had friends and family fall victim to alcohol addiction. Lots of things are that are legal are addictive. You just don't hear about it until its time to make them illegal.(tobacco for example)

Also you do realize that by making Cocaine illegal the government has made a ton of money right? I hope you realize that...because the government is mostly responsible for your view of cocaine.

If you want to make anything illegal....all you have to do is show some deaths relating to it and claim its addictive. Look at all the drugs that we have listed...it goes right down the fucking list. Peopel claim almost every drug is addictive in reports by non-drug users. You don't know shit about cocaine until you do it. That is the same with all drugs and also most things in life.

I never trash talked skiiing until I strapped those stupid fucking pieces of wood to my feet and pointed myself down a snow covered hill. I don't see why you would act like you know about something when you have never even encountered it.

ribbit

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
"If you want to make anything illegal....all you have to do is show some deaths relating to it and claim its addictive. Look at all the drugs that we have listed...it goes right down the fucking list. Peopel claim almost every drug is addictive in reports by non-drug users. You don't know shit about cocaine until you do it. That is the same with all drugs and also most things in life.

Asprin is still legal.

[SuckSuckStyle]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son


What part of cocaine can kill you even on the first use are you not understanding?

i could never have tried alcohol before, take 20 shots in an hour and die my first time. just as easily i could take 20 lines of coke in an hour and kill myself.

and that's not illogical. college campus's are full of people who do that shit regularly. there is so much alcohol consumption on college campus's, and so much of it is harmful that the cocaine use and harmful affects don't hold a candle to it.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
"Alcohol isn't naturally addictive (no more than say, chocolate or gambling). "

First off, how many fat kids you see stuffing chocolate into their faces till their mothers take them to staple up their stomachs? How many people have lost their life savings, their homes, their families ect due to gambling? A lot. Why the fuck are there lots of gamblers AA and support groups for over-eaters. Because those things are pretty addictive.

You can't argue alcohol's addictive powers. I've had friends and family fall victim to alcohol addiction. Lots of things are that are legal are addictive. You just don't hear about it until its time to make them illegal.(tobacco for example)

Also you do realize that by making Cocaine illegal the government has made a ton of money right? I hope you realize that...because the government is mostly responsible for your view of cocaine.

If you want to make anything illegal....all you have to do is show some deaths relating to it and claim its addictive. Look at all the drugs that we have listed...it goes right down the fucking list. Peopel claim almost every drug is addictive in reports by non-drug users. You don't know shit about cocaine until you do it. That is the same with all drugs and also most things in life.

I never trash talked skiiing until I strapped those stupid fucking pieces of wood to my feet and pointed myself down a snow covered hill. I don't see why you would act like you know about something when you have never even encountered it.

I have encountered it.. but no, I haven't done it. I know bullets are dangerous and I've never been shot.

Those things you mentioned are forms of addiction but are not naturally physically addicting. They are mentally addicting. Yes, people get "the shakes" when they try to kick drinking, and that is a physical symptom, but it's not even close to the same thing.

You argument that "you've never done it so you wouldn't know" is completely invalid. I've never done crack. That's certainly bad for you, right?

I like to mix cocaine and roach poison and inject it into my ball sack.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by SuckSuckStyle


i could never have tried alcohol before, take 20 shots in an hour and die my first time. just as easily i could take 20 lines of coke in an hour and kill myself.

and that's not illogical. college campus's are full of people who do that shit regularly. there is so much alcohol consumption on college campus's, and so much of it is harmful that the cocaine use and harmful affects don't hold a candle to it.

Ok, let me try this again.

In order to OD from alcohol, you need to drink A LOT. In order to OD from coke, you need to do one line, once.

the reason you see more "harmful effects" from drinking is that more people drink.

Ok, I'm truly amazed at the complete disregard for fact and logic here from so many people that ignore the danger and deny it because they want to use it.

This thread reminds me of that Soul Coughing song "Circles."

[I_was_aborted]

Actually I've known responsible crack smokers. Bad but true. For every junkie fuck-up abusing a particular drug there are probably 10 responsible users. You have to understand that drugs are just like alcohol. Some people only do it in moderation and for fun, others do it for many different reasons. Its never the cocaine's fault, its the fool who snorted 10 grams and then wanted more....just like its the little frat boy's fault that he drank 32 shots. Its not the whiskey's fault, its the person's who abused it. There is one thing to understand if you want to start using drugs....learn about them first. Be well educated and safe. If you are intelligent and responsible the odds of drugs being "bad" for you are slim to none.

Come on up to my houe and I'll show you snorting coke can be fun. I don't have any...or desire to have any at the moment but to help educate you about drugs....I'd be willing.

[the]

likeonetime i injected ink into my veins and tehhhhen i snorted some coke and theeeeen welll my ears usually bleed when i do coke and stuff so haha the blood came out purple.
i peed green for weeeeekz!

[Ihaman]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
I have encountered it.. but no, I haven't done it. I know bullets are dangerous and I've never been shot.

Those things you mentioned are forms of addiction but are not naturally physically addicting. They are mentally addicting. Yes, people get "the shakes" when they try to kick drinking, and that is a physical symptom, but it's not even close to the same thing.

You argument that "you've never done it so you wouldn't know" is completely invalid. I've never done crack. That's certainly bad for you, right?

Try again, Alcohol is among the most physically and mentally addictive drugs out there.

alcohol addiction
Alcohol addiction is a physical and physiological dependency on alcohol. Being addicted to alcohol means that your mind and body will not let you stop drinking alcohol. Like being addicted to a narcotic or other substance, alcohol addiction means your body requires alcohol, and to break

Fortunately for most of us, mental addictions are easier to kick than physical addictions, when your body becomes dependant on them to perform tasks.
For a large percentage of alcoholics, in order for their body to perform correctly, it REQUIRES alcohol. My friend Mary...for instance could NOT sleep unless she had alcohol flowing through her. She (mentally) did NOT want to ingest alcohol, but physically...if she wanted to rest her body needed it. You're trying to say that alcohol isn't a drug your body can become naturally dependant on to perform tasks?
No...drugs like that are the ones with pure phsychological side effects (see hallucinogens) that affect your body in no way at all. The ones your body can easily become dependant on are the ones that alter your body's overall makeup, does it depress it and slow it down (depressants: alcohol, opiates) or does the heartrate increase and you feel more "aware" (stimulants: cocaine, caffeine).
Using these a prolonged amount of time can alter the way your body used to perform tasks. Take stimulants.
When you ingest caffeine, the bloodflow to your brain increases, which also increases the size of the capillaries in your brain to allow for the amount your heart is pumping in there. After about 2 days, the capillaries have swelled to a completely new size (about twice bigger than they used to be) and begin to use this new amount of bloodflow as the "regular". When you fail to ingest this amount of caffeine every day, the amount of blood that used to flow in through these is greatly decreased, because this chemical signal hasn't told your heart to begin more bloodflow into your brain. So what you're left with is the same amount of blood, but through capillaries that have been stretched over the period of time you were using caffeine, the result. an excruciating headache due to insufficient bloodflow.
This is just one example of the many physical effects any sort of body-altering drug can have.
If you drink alcohol for 2 weeks straight every single day, and suddenly stop...things are going to seem extremely sped up and brighter than usual...because you've conditioned your body to a depressed state and stopped sending the signal to do so suddenly.

Alcohol is a very physically addictive drug.

[the]

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[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by I_was_aborted
Actually I've known responsible crack smokers

Ok, that's it. My point has been made and I can't keep refuting such obvious shite.

[I_was_aborted]

At least I got you to stop posting about it.

[Ihaman]

So I just typed a 2 paragraph essay for nothing?

[I_was_aborted]

Heh I enjoyed it.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by Ihaman
So I just typed a 2 paragraph essay for nothing?

If you like, I could restate the same things over again for the 60th time.

[Ihaman]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
If you like, I could restate the same things over again for the 60th time.

And I'll just say "But alcohol IS physically addictive" or say "But alcohol IS mentally addictive".

Yadda yadda yadda, someone dies from everything, just stop thinking a beer is any better than someone else's stuff.
Cause I know for a fact nobody on this board has had one shot of anything without really really wanting to take another right afterwards....that's a sure sign of addiction right there.

[jczeroman]

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[sawdust restaurants]

Originally posted by Ihaman
Cause I know for a fact nobody on this board has had one shot of anything without really really wanting to take another right afterwards....that's a sure sign of addiction right there.

You're amazingly, stupendously wrong.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


You're amazingly, stupendously wrong.

Don't stoke the flames.

Soon they'll be claiming that heroin is better for you than milk because some people are lactose intolerant.

[jczeroman]

Wow, a six page argument and not a post of it mine. I feel pretty damn proud today.

[Ihaman]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Don't stoke the flames.

Soon they'll be claiming that heroin is better for you than milk because some people are lactose intolerant.

I had nothing to do with that.

[Ihaman]

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


You're amazingly, stupendously wrong.

My post was in a facetious connotation.

A "joke".

[I_was_aborted]

I still laughing that this guy thinks its impossible to know a responsible crack user. He has been programmed by the people around him to think anyone who smokes crack must be a poor, black, uneducated loser. And then he talks in other threads about how there are two sides to everything....what a fucking hoser.

[Affectation]

Originally posted by jczeroman
Wow, a six page argument and not a post of it mine. I feel pretty damn proud today.

Drugs really aren't your thing, I guess.