drugs

[machinaddict]

alcohol
weed
hash

I want to try shrooms and acid sometime.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Shut up. Really. Don't be an idiot. It's not like she was hanging out at Tony Montana's house.

her words, not mine...

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by shaunna

i'm guessing you dry it up and smoke it?

Q. How is salvia used? What are the methods and how do they differ?
A. There are several different methods of using Salvia: These are discussed below under the questions about smoking, oral, and other methods.

Q. Okay, tell me about smoking.
A. Smoking is probably the most common method for 'Western' users. Dried salvia leaf is readily available from commercial sources and can be smoked without further preparation in tobacco pipes, joints, or water-pipes or bongs. Salvia must be smoked hot (hotter than tobacco is) in order for salvinorin to be vaporized. The smoke is inhaled fast and hot, deeply into the lungs. Several hits in quick succession are usually required. The smoke is irritating and probably has the same sort of health risks as tobacco smoke - cancer, bronchitis, emph****a, and heart and blood vessel disease. When smoking it is a good idea to have a sitter present although many smokers do not take this advice.

Q. What is the usual dose?
A. One or two large crushed leaves (¼–½ gram). Individual requirements will vary.

Q. How strong is smoking?
A. It varies greatly depending on the dose.

Q. How long does the experience last?
A. When smoked, the first effects are noticed within 1 minute, rapidly developing to a peak which lasts 5 - 10 minutes, then gradually diminishing over the next 20 - 30 minutes. From beginning to end, the entire experience lasts 30 minutes to one hour. Best not to drive for at least several more hours - just in case your reflexes or judgement are impaired longer than you think they might be.

Q. Is there any special trick to smoking Salvia divinorum?
A. Please read "How to achieve effects from smoked Salvia divinorum". It is best to smoke the leaf material in a pipe (not a cigarette). Salvinorin A has a relatively high vaporization temperature, and with a pipe you can draw a flame directly onto the leaf material so that it burns quite hot. It is very important to hold the smoke deeply in the lungs for a good 20 - 30 seconds before exhaling. This allows time for salvinorin A to be absorbed from the smoke. If one exhales to quickly, much of the material will be wasted. The level of effects you achieve depends on the amount of smoke inhaled and absorbed within about a 2 minute period. Within 2 minutes, you should be able to take 3 big hits (holding each one in for 20 - 30 seconds). The body metabolizes salvinorin A quite rapidly, so if you want to increase the effect by smoking several hits, you need to ingest the smoke faster than it is metabolized. If you pause too long between hits, the duration will be extended, but the intensity of effects won't increase.

Q. How do I smoke salvinorin A fortified leaf?
A. The standardized salvinorin A enhanced leaf is very easy to use. Place the amount that you intend to use in the bowl of a small pipe. Since the leaf may be very finely crumbled, the pipe should be fitted with a fine-mesh screen in the bottom of the bowl to prevent small particals from getting into the pipe-stem and being inhaled. When you are ready, first take a deep breath of fresh air, then exhale to empty your lungs, then immediately apply a flame to the leaf material and inhale the whole dose of smoke in one lungfull. It is important to hold the lighter flame immediatly above the material and to draw it down into the leaves as you inhale. The leaf must be heated to a relatively high temperature in order to vaporize the active principal. As long as the flame is drawn down into the leaf, it will burn the leaves at a high enough temperature. It is very important to hold the smoke deeply in your lungs for a good 20–30 seconds before exhaling. It takes time for salvinorin A to condense out of the smoke and be absorbed by the lungs. If you exhale too soon much of it will be wasted.

Q. Do I need a special kind of lighter to smoke salvinorin A fortified leaf or Salvia divinorum leaves?
A. An ordinary lighter or match is quite hot enough to vaporize salvinorin A and should be quite adequate for smoking salvinorin A fortified leaf products. An extra hot flame, such as that produced by a micro-torch, will simply cause more rapid vaporization and combustion. This can be an advantage when smoking plain Salvia divinorum leaves, because it is usually necessary to smoke a relatively large amount of leaf in a short amount time to achieve strong effects.

Q. Can the standardized salvinorin A fortified leaf products be taken orally/sublingually?
A: In theory, yes, but since sublingual absorption in not very efficient in this form, you would need to use a dose about 30–40 times larger than the smoking dose. From an economic point of view, it makes far more sense to use Sage Goddess Emerald Essence for sublingual use. Save the standardized salvinorin A fortified leaf for smoking, since the primary benefit of the standardized extracts is that they substantially reduce the amount of smoke one needs to ingest.

Q. Is it true that it requires several attempts, before one begins to experience the full effects of Salvia?
A: Many people report that they became more sensitive to the effects of salvia after they had tried it several times. Apparently it may take a few exposures before one becomes fully sensitized to Salvia's effects. I don't know why this should be the case, but I've heard it from so many people that am convinced this is a real phenomenon.

Q. I've followed all the advice, but I don't seem to be able to achieve strong effects, why is this?
A. Approximately 10% of people are unusually insensitive to salvinorin A. Most of these people can achieve a satisfactory level of effects by using a higher than average dose. Some people require a dose several times higher than average. Be very cautious when experimenting with higher than average doses. Doses should be increased in gradual increments until one find the level of effects that interests you.

Q. Is there any way to extend the duration of the effects of smoked Salvia divinorum?
A: salvinorin A does not produce a tolerance effect, so you can extend the experience by simply smoking more as soon as the effects begin to fade. You can also ease into the experience by starting with a small dose and following it immediately with a "booster" dose.

Q. What is vaporization and how does it differ from smoking?
A. Vaporization consists of heating pure salvinorin A, extract, or powdered leaf to a high temperature without igniting it. The temperature must be high enough for at least some of the salvinorin to temporarily become a gas (vapor). The ideal air-stream temperature for vaporization is approximately 277° C (530° F.). These vapors, mixed with the aerosol the vapors condense to and air, are inhaled. Like the smoke from burning salvia leaves, the products of vaporization contain salvinorin and other volatile products, either as gases, or as an aerosol of small condensed droplets. Unlike smoking, vaporization does not produce ash particulates, or oxidation products such as carbon monoxide. Inhaling vapors is probably somewhat less damaging to one's lungs than is inhaling smoke; but it cannot be considered free of all health risks. Your lungs evolved to inhale clean air, not hot vapors.

Q. How is vaporization done?
A. There are not yet commercial vaporizers optimized for smoking Salvia. Salvia leaf, extract, or salvinorin can be vaporized on heated aluminum foil and inhaled with a straw. Alternatively, homemade vaporizer units can be constructed, or units designed for consumption of cannabis or tobacco can be used. Many commercial units are either not hot enough (won't vaporize) or too hot (will carbonize) for optimum vaporization of salvinorin.

Q. Is vaporization strong?
A. Of course it depends on the dose, but it can be unbelievably strong! Dangerously so! Since very little smoke is produced with this technique, it is possible to inhale a very large dose with very little effort. At large doses, one may temporarily loose all awareness of who one is, where one is or what one is doing. Falls, fires, injuries etc. can easily occur. If you will be vaporizing it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that a sitter be present to protect you from injury.

Q. How about oral use?
A. Oral use by means of chewed and swallowed leaves, or by means of a water-based salvia drink are the traditional methods of use by the Mazatec healers. These methods have much to recommend them including safety and suitability for learning from the 'teacher plant'. When salvia leaves are chewed and held in ones mouth a long time, salvinorin is absorbed directly by the tissues lining the mouth. Swallowed salvia is much less effective, although the traditional Mazatec water-based drink, which is swallowed, is effective if enough leaves are used in its preparation.

Q. Does oral salvia work as fast as smoking?
A. Definitely not. When ingested orally, the first effects begin in 10 -20 minutes. The effects build to a peak fairly quickly, reaching a plateau which can last anywhere from 30 minutes to one and a half hours. The effects then gradually subside over an additional 30 minutes to one and a half hours. From beginning to end, the entire experience can last anywhere from one to three hours. Best not to drive for at least several more hours - just in case your reflexes or judgement are impaired longer than you think they might be.

Q. What method of ingestion produces the best effects: Smoked or oral?
A: Different people have different preferences. You should experiment with both methods and find your own preference. Smoking provides a relatively short, but potentially very intense experience, whereas sublingual absorption provides a substantially longer lasting and somewhat more gentle experience.

Q. What is the quid method?
A. A quid is a rolled up cylinder of fresh leaves. The quid method traditionally uses fresh salvia leaves, large ones if available. Rehydrated previously dried leaves can be used if fresh ones are unavailable; there seems to be little loss of strength due to drying and rehydration. The quid method produces effects that begin more gradually and last longer than is the case with smoking. Unlike smoking, the quid method does not damage lungs. Unfortunately the quid method does not work for everyone. And some people find the bitter taste of the leaves unpleasant.

The following is a recipe for using a large dose of leaves by the quid method. It can produce strong effects in sensitive individuals.

Note: This recipe calls for 16 leaves which is a large dose. A smaller dose would be safer for novices, using fewer leaves is especially important if exceptionally strong leaves are being used.

Method: Make two quids of about 8 leaves each. Chew the first quid for 15 minutes, chewing once every 5 to 10 seconds. Keep the quid under your tongue between chews as this maximizes sublingual absorption . Swish the saliva around your mouth from time to time. Do not swallow or spit unless necessary. After 15 minutes of chewing, spit out the remains of the first quid . Now, if you are not already as high as you want to get, begin the second quid. Chew this exactly like the first for 15 minutes. When that 15 minutes have gone, spit out the quid. Of course if you feel you have reached the level you want, just spit out the quid before you get higher than you want to. A few minutes after you spit out the quid you will start coming down. During quid chewing, have a bowl handy for spitting into. Make sure it is a bowl that wont tip over, as you will get pretty uncoordinated! Keep a towel handy in case you drool. The taste of chewed leaves is unpleasantly bitter but most people won't vomit. However, keep that bowl handy!

Q. Is there a safe way of increasing the effect of chewed quid?
A. The effect of chewed quid can apparently be potentiated just by using mouthwash! Do not add the mouthwash to the leaves. Instead, just before putting the quid in your mouth, rinse your entire mouth out thoroughly (for at least 30 seconds) with a mouthwash that contains both menthol and alcohol. Cool Mint Listerine® works well. This will noticeably increase the effect of chewed leaves. This effect makes pharmacological sense, as it is known that a mixture of alcohol, water, and menthol increases the permeability of mucous membranes to various drugs. Presumably it is increasing the rate of salvinorin absorption. It is possible that other ingredients in the mouthwash, such as eucalyptol may also be contributing to this effect. Another technique, which may be helpful, is to lightly brush the interior surfaces of the mouth with a toothbrush. This removes a layer of dead cells and consequently seems to improve absorption. If you will also be using the mouthwash technique, it is probably best to do the brushing first.

Q. What is salvia honey slurry?
A. Recipe for Salvia honey slurry: Ingredients: 5 grams of finely powdered dried salvia leaf; 1 tsp. McCormick Peppermint extract (80% alcohol); 4 tsp. honey that was first warmed in a microwave oven. Preparation: the leaf powder is put into a teacup, add the peppermint extract, then the honey. Mix until a uniform slurry is formed. Use: lie down on a couch or on the floor on pillows, dim the lights, and slowly spoon the mixture into your mouth, one spoonful at a time; get it under your tongue and in contact with the entire lining of your mouth. When your mouth becomes full of saliva swallow and spoon in the next spoonful of honey slurry. Over a 30 minute period slowly consume all the honey, keeping it in contact with your oral mucosa as long as possible. Expect a mild gentle experience, not a very strong one.

Q. What's a sublingual extract?
A. These are extracts designed for sublingual absorption. The are held beneath the tongue so that the active principal is absorbed into the sublingual mucosa and from there into the bloodstream. The duration and quality of the experience produced is equivalent to chewing fresh leaves using the quid method. One type of extract that may be used in this manner is called a "soft extract." Soft extracts are tar-like in texture; they are effective for sublingual use, but very large amounts must be used because they are not absorbed very efficiently. More information about soft extracts is available in section XIII Processing plant material. Various liquid extracts are also effective for sublingual use. "Sage Goddess Emerald Essence" is a particularly effective, ultra-concentrated, refined tincture that is prepared using a unique separation process developed by Daniel Siebert. This product is one of the most effective and reliable forms of Salvia divinorum for oral use. It is available from The Sage Wisdom Salvia Shop.

Q. What is salvia elixir?"
A. A sweetened aromatic alcohol water extraction of salvia leaf. It is held in the mouth for 1/2 hour to allow salvinorin to be absorbed

Q. How is it made and used?
A. Recipe for salvia peppermint elixir: Note: this extraction uses whiskey, rum, or vodka. DO NOT USE POISONOUS DENATURED ALCOHOL. Ingredients and method: powdered salvia leaf (all you can spare) in a quart Mason jar. Barely cover the powder with whisky, vodka, or rum, the higher the proof the better. Close the jar. Shake every 15 minutes for 2 hours minimum. (For stronger elixir let it sit in contact with the leaf powder for days.) Pour off the salvia / whiskey mixture, filtering it through a fine mesh spice bag (the type chefs use for Bouquet garni). Squeeze the wet powder through the bag, saving as much of the salvia saturated whiskey as possible. The whiskey (which is chemically a mixture of ethanol and water) has extracted the salvinorin A, so you now have an extract containing salvinorin. Add 1 capful of McCormick's Peppermint Extract (to make the brew both more palatable and more potent) to 1 oz. of the salvia extract. What you now have is an ethanol/water/menthol/salvinorin delivery system. The menthol in the peppermint extract probably helps transport salvinorin across the oral mucosa, thereby maximizing the amount of Salvinorin that enters your blood stream. Sweeten with a little honey or sugar. You will need to dilute the elixir with an equal volume of water just prior to use in order to avoid mouth irritation. To use, hold in your mouth and swish it around for 30 minutes. Hold as much in your mouth as you comfortably can (about 2 oz.)

Q. Will cooked salvia have any effect?
A. Yes. For some people, but usually the effect will be quite mild, only just above threshold level. Here is a report of an experiment and recipe that provided a pleasant mild experience (level 2 to level 3 on the S-A-L-V-I-A scale.

Materials:

• 4 freshly picked very large leaves from good plants were cut into strips. The leaf material weighted 9.92 G.
• 4 tsp Extra Virgin Olive Oil
• 1 large clove of garlic , coarsely sliced
• 1 tsp. soy sauce
• a small piece of frozen ginger root (about 2 cm. wide and 1/2 cm. long)
• a pinch of ground chili pepper

Preparation: The cut up leaves were mixed with the sliced clove of garlic and the extra virgin olive oil and this mixture was stir fried in a wok-style fry pan. The pan had a Teflon lining and stir frying was done with wooden spoons (thus the leaves were not in contact with metal while being fried (it is not known if this makes a difference). The mixture was stir fried until the garlic slices turned medium brown darker than golden brown but definitely not charred). Once the garlic had turned brown the leaves, garlic and the oil in which the mixture had been fried were all transferred to the refrigerator for later consumption. Note: the time the leaves spent sitting in the oil in the refrigerator may have aided salvinorin extraction into the oil phase. Several hours later the bowl was taken out of the refrigerator, the frozen ginger root was grated onto it and a pinch of chili powder and 1 tsp. of soy sauce were added for flavoring. These were mixed and the entire contents of the bowl, including all the oil was eaten (not kept under the tongue like a chewed salvia quid but rather eaten like any food would be). The sauté was consumed on an empty stomach (which may have been necessary for its rapid absorption). A repeat of this experiment during which the fried leaves were not refrigerated prior to consumption yielded only minimal effects (level 1 to 2) for one individual and no effects for a second person. There have been other reports of both success and failure from sauteed Salvia. It is possible that one reason not everyone is successful in obtaining a salvia effect from the sauté may be differences in leaf potency. With weaker leaves a higher dose would be required. If you try this, eat all the oil the leaves were fried in along with the leaves, as the oil probably contains much of the salvinorin. Probably the best results (assuming average quality leaves eaten by an individual with average sensitivity to Salvia) would be obtained with a dose of about 15 to 20 grams of fresh leaves sautéed as described Comments: The effects I experienced the first time was level 2 to 3 and the second time level 1 to 2. The recommendation to increase the leaf dosage was made in the interest of being able to achieve a somewhat higher level for myself and a discernible level for someone less sensitive to salvia than I am. I believe I am more sensitive to salvia than about 2/3 of people.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by scouse_dave
her words, not mine...

I just find it funny that nearly everyone in the thread has done/does coke, and you take issue with one of the few people who hasn't and won't just because she used to know someone that sold it.

Where do you think everyone else is getting their coke from? They obviously all know dealers.

[bonsor]

marijuana
alcohol
acid
shrooms
datura
dxm
dramamine

[sppunk]

I've drank alcohol.

[granola]

super thread ?

[twilightfadez]

:erm do Marlboros count?
so in other words, none!!!!

[bonsor]

Originally posted by twilightfadez
:erm do Marlboros count?

yes.

[twilightfadez]

okay then here is my list

- alcohol
- marlboros (the only cigs i ever liked)
- tobacco (which i used to smoke from a pipe)

that's it

edit:
wait a second, so we're counting prescription drugs as well?
jeez

- xanax
- dramamine
- valium
- prozac
i;m sure theres more but i doubt i can remember everything i've taken

This post makes me wanna go on a drug binge.

[YeehaJamesIha]

marijuana
hash
alcohol
shrooms
cocaine
ecstasy
salvia

vicodin
adderall
xanax
valium
klonopin
codeine

there's probably more Rx drugs I'm forgetting...

To add my opinion, the most hardcore drug I've done IMO is alcohol. Nothing has fucked me up more or made me feel like I want to die like that shit. I would ******* Xenadrine, but that's legal. I'd rather do coke. Keep in mind, alcohol is illegal for me right now because I'm under 21.
I think I'd liken coke and alcohol to upper and downer brother and sister, because you can do a little and get a fun buzz or you can do too much and die or feel like you want to. The reason why I think alcohol is worse is because the more you do, it impairs your judgement to the point that you don't know what you're doing so you down that last 1/4 of the bottle even though it's gonna make you sick all night, or even kill you. When you do coke (or at least when I do it) my mind is still sharp and I can still think logically. Everything is just faster. I stop when I know I've had enough, because I can still make that judgement. So yeah, there's my $.02

[the]

sepukku makkaba mihiiinsaamn. mmheh. drunsgssm are bohring. i reahad treh necronohmincoh and talk sihet wiehth satahanah and tehn aweh dourink somaaaaaeh of doseh juicaes ofh teh universum. ziua de maine va fi prea lunga.

[sickbadthing]

Fucking crackheads.

[crescentfresh]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
I just find it funny that nearly everyone in the thread has done/does coke, and you take issue with one of the few people who hasn't and won't just because she used to know someone that sold it.

Dude, "it's not as hard as they make it sound."

Fucking hypocrites galore, up in heah

[DeviousJ]

I'm still waiting for the obvious QOTSA joke guys

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by YeehaJamesIha

I think I'd liken coke and alcohol to upper and downer brother and sister, because you can do a little and get a fun buzz or you can do too much and die or feel like you want to. The reason why I think alcohol is worse is because the more you do, it impairs your judgement to the point that you don't know what you're doing so you down that last 1/4 of the bottle even though it's gonna make you sick all night, or even kill you. When you do coke (or at least when I do it) my mind is still sharp and I can still think logically. Everything is just faster. I stop when I know I've had enough, because I can still make that judgement. So yeah, there's my $.02

You're simply justifying the fact that you're a coke addict.

Alcohol rarely kills someone from an overdose when compared to coke, and it's not nearly as harmful for you or addicting.

[YeehaJamesIha]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
You're simply justifying the fact that you're a coke addict.

Alcohol rarely kills someone from an overdose when compared to coke, and it's not nearly as harmful for you or addicting.

I really hope this post is a parody, otherwise I weep for humanity.

[Human Replica Droid]

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[keebs]

Originally posted by shaunna
weed (lots)
hashish (a few times)
shrooms (3 times, still never had a proper trip)
ecstasy (4 times, 2 years ago, never "rolled" per se)
ketamine (5 times, 2 years ago)
dxm (a few times over the years)
codeine (once or twice)
alcohol (lots)
acid (once, but didn't really trip)

oh and i tried absinthe last night. it made me fall asleep.

man, you got hosed. i would be pissed if i ate mushrooms and acid a few times and didn't really trip or took multimple tabs and didn't roll.

lets see....mmm...

pot/hash
mushrooms
LSD
ketamine
MDMA
MDA
DXM
opiates (HC, OC, etc...)
alcohol
and ive taken pretty much every single rx pill that could possibly be fun (xanex, various forms of rx speed, etc, etc, etc)

i had a blast, but no mas.

[SuckSuckStyle]

marijunana
mushrooms
alcohol

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Where did you find that in Canada?

I walked all the way around the block, went into the store, bought some, brought it home, and smoked it.

I don't think we get as potent as you guys do, cause it did NOTHING.

[shaniqua]

Originally posted by keebs


man, you got hosed. i would be pissed if i ate mushrooms and acid a few times and didn't really trip or took multimple tabs and didn't roll.

i was also on paxil.

i had some good experiences with e though.
the first time i did shrooms i got hyper and had a lot of fun. the second time i cried about my dirty apartment. third time- nada.

[vanilla]

Originally posted by shaunna
i was also on paxil.

why aren't you supposed to drink alcohol while you're on paxil? does it just intensify the affect of alcohol.
withdrawls from paxil make it feel like you're on some sort of drug :P

[Fall Down Blue]

this thread is so tasty

[Affectation]

Originally posted by Fall Down Blue
this thread is so tasty

No it isn't, you idiotic fuck.

[13]

Acid, ecstasy, 2-CB, mushrooms, coke, weed and love

[ChristHimself!]

wormwood/absinthe, valium, hash / grass / skunk, shrooms, acid, E, nitrous oxide, coke.

[DeadOpera]

nicotine, shroomies, crystal meth, marijuana xtc and alcohol co co co co co caine!
and um K which sucks.

[Ihaman]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

Alcohol rarely kills someone from an overdose when compared to coke, and it's not nearly as harmful for you or addicting.

Are you joking?

Have you ever even done cocaine?

I hope you're joking.


Please, please say you're joking.