OMG OMG Affirmative action still constitutional - Page 2

Crippler · 06-25-2003, 02:39 AM

I hear all these white people complaining, "We're losing the country! We're losing everything! Affirmative action! Quotas! We're losing everything!".... Y'all ain't losin' SHIT! If you're losin', WHO'S WINNIN'? It ain't US! I look around this mothafucka, it AIN'T US! Don't let Shaq fool ya. Not everyone get a cut o' that check!

- Chris Rock

King of Devious · 06-25-2003, 03:08 AM

4.0 gpa
30 act
42 credit hours from ap tests (8 total)

and i didnt get into u of m

thats a crime,

my friend works in the U of M office and files applications, and said minorities got into u of m engineering with a less then a 3.0

How is that fair?

I seriously busted my ass in high school

Crippler · 06-25-2003, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by King of Devious
4.0 gpa
30 act
42 credit hours from ap tests (8 total)

and i didnt get into u of m

thats a crime,

my friend works in the U of M office and files applications, and said minorities got into u of m engineering with a less then a 3.0

How is that fair?

I seriously busted my ass in high school

Shoulda been born black.

It's people like you who are denying incapable minorities their chance.

dusty · 06-25-2003, 03:37 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female

actually, no... i'm a privileged, whitebread, midde-class skankerilla that stands to gain nothing from this.

oh yeah? what about me?
i'm poor and white. with AA, how will i be treated fairly?

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by Eulogy

Shut the fuck up.

He's not even close to applying for college or paying his own way in life. Please forvive him, Ace!

Nimrod's Son · 04:10 AM

It is truly amazing to me that whenever economic standing is raised as a viable alternative to racial status as a barometer for preferential treatment is considered, that all of a sudden, the minorities get all pissed off. You know what? If there is ever to be ANY perferential treatment (and i disagree with any, whatsoever) I will only ever accept it based on financing.

Mayfuck · 06-25-2003, 03:57 AM

Aww poor whitey can't have everything

Why Am I So Ugly? · 06-25-2003, 04:03 AM

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck
Aww poor whitey can't have everything

So.. then you're sayin if the playing field is actually equal that minorities can't compete with white people?

Jesus, who's the fucking racist here???!

Mayfuck · 06-25-2003, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

So.. then you're sayin if the playing field is actually equal that minorities can't compete with white people?

Jesus, who's the fucking racist here???!

Oh no, ol' blackie took my spot at Yale, looks like I'm just gonna have to settle for Brown

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

Oh no, ol' blackie took my spot at Yale, looks like I'm just gonna have to settle for Brown

Hey, great job at choosing the mst ridiculous example and not defending AA with any sort of viable argument. Smells like a Mayfuck to me!

Why Am I So Ugly? · 06-25-2003, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Hey, great job at choosing the mst ridiculous example and not defending AA with any sort of viable argument. Smells like a Mayfuck to me!

nah, seemed like an accurate imitation of a typical nimrod's son argument

Mayfuck · 06-25-2003, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Hey, great job at choosing the mst ridiculous example and not defending AA with any sort of viable argument. Smells like a Mayfuck to me!

I'm against affirmative action, you fuck. I just think it's stupid when white people complain about it. Oh you poor souls.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Why Am I So Ugly?

nah, seemed like an accurate imitation of a typical nimrod's son argument

If you had ever read anything I have posted without a blind ethnic filter, I have alway supported equal rights. Whenever I support "equal" rights, I am referred to as "racist" because I choose not to allow preferential treatment for "minorities."

If you do the fucking math, you would see that white people are now not a majority in the US. However, it is far more convenient for minorities to blame their problems on a white majority instead of going to the fucking polls and voting in their own candidates,

Really, wise up, fucker.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

I'm against affirmative action, you fuck. I just think it's stupid when white people complain about it. Oh you poor souls.

I fight FOR equal rights and against affirmative action. I just get offended when you condemn ME for fighting against AA when you feel so vindicated for fighting against it.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

I'm against affirmative action, you fuck. I just think it's stupid when white people complain about it. Oh you poor souls.

By the way, I'm not 100% white. Only 75%.

Mayfuck · 06-25-2003, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
If you had ever read anything I have posted without a blind ethnic filter, I have alway supported equal rights. Whenever I support "equal" rights, I am referred to as "racist" because I choose not to allow preferential treatment for "minorities."

If you do the fucking math, you would see that white people are now not a majority in the US. However, it is far more convenient for minorities to blame their problems on a white majority instead of going to the fucking polls and voting in their own candidates,

Really, wise up, fucker.

Sounds like someone is really angry at minorites :erm

RAHOWA, Nimrod's Son, RAHOWA!

Why Am I So Ugly? · 06-25-2003, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
By the way, I'm not 100% white. Only 75%.

hahahahaha. *wipes tear*

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck

Sounds like someone is really angry at minorites :erm

RAHOWA, Nimrod's Son, RAHOWA!

WTF? Did you actually read anything I posted? No, it is far easier to call someone a racist than defend your own position, of course.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by Why Am I So Ugly?

hahahahaha. *wipes tear*

I'm sorry, did you EVER have a point to make?

No, apparantly not.

Why Am I So Ugly? · 06-25-2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
I'm sorry, did you EVER have a point to make?

No, apparantly not.

i was 75% there, then i decided to give up

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by Why Am I So Ugly?

i was 75% there, then i decided to give up

Thank you for proving yourself as a racist!

pastor · 06-25-2003, 04:44 AM

I actually agree with the people who disagreed with my original statement. Economic status is and should be a more important factor than race when it comes to college admissions. With money, it is easier to quantify the inequalities between people and to illustrate its impact on the quality of pre-college education. When it comes to sociocultural trends -- to the inner workings of the individual's mind and his perceptions of race as shaped by society -- it is not so easy to concretize inequalities that may exist. Those on the benefitting side of such trends can easily choose to ignore them, can smugly leave it to the "Theorists of Institutional Racism" (aka the white guilt-afflicted liberals, the opportunistic minorities, etc.) to prove, knowing full well that all the evidence lies within their well-guarded minds. Meanwhile, those on the unbenefitting side of white privilege can shut the fuck up because they have no recourse to prove their claims. Their only proof that whites don't want to share the sandbox (and don't want to admit that they don't want to share the sandbox) are the overwhelming statistics correlating race and poverty -- which, in a rational world, would be sufficient, but doesn't really cut it in ours. That correlation is because blacks and latinos are lazy, y'know.

I agree that affirmative action isn't the best way to address the problem (and yes, it is a problem) of institutional racism. An injustice cannot correct past injustices. But it is A way, and abolishing it wholly leaves no remaining remedy for the problem. An upshot of shifting affirmative action to a greater economic focus is that it will invariably help minorities. Draw yourself a Ven diagram with three circles: "Poor," "African-American," and "Hispanic." You'll find that a large part of the latter two circles lie within the first. And it ain't because brown people are lazy and unwilling to learn.

Those opposed to affirmative action are right to oppose it, because it's unjust and it's a ham-fisted attempt to correct a social problem whose solution can only be found in a profound change in the way people think. And if India's anti-caste laws tell us anything, it's that legislation cannot change people's hearts. *cue crying Indian and downtrodden Earth Mother from Captain Planet*

And while I agree in principle with those who oppose AA, I fear that their reasons are different than mine. I fear that many white people oppose it because of their underlying assumption that educational (and thus economic) advancements for minorities means a step back for them. "More for 'Them' means less for 'Us.'" They appeal to a high-minded principle of equality -- which is perfectly legitimate -- when really, underneath and beneath it all, they don't like AA because it doesn't benefit them. This doesn't apply to everyone opposed to AA, but I see it often.

pastor · 06-25-2003, 04:48 AM

Oh, yeah: Irrevelant and Lie are examples of people who oppose Affirmative Action for the right reasons. Nimrod's Son isn't. Really, guy, you're sad.

Mayfuck · 06-25-2003, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
WTF? Did you actually read anything I posted? No, it is far easier to call someone a racist than defend your own position, of course.

Eh, like pastor said, you're afraid of dark people advancing in life. You want the sandbox to yourself. It's laughable to think you of all people care about equal rights. I know enough from the posts you make on this board that you're bothered by dark people, hispanics in general. You complain about how much there are San Diego. A non-racist white person wouldn't be bothered by affirmative action. But you're white, you have it good, so we have these little issues to give you something to be angry about because as a white person you have little or nothing to be angry about. I'm envious.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by pastor
Oh, yeah: Irrevelant and Lie are examples of people who oppose Affirmative Action for the right reasons. Nimrod's Son isn't. Really, guy, you're sad.

Um, I agreed with them. WTF?

I only was curious why Julio and Siraj decided they would attack "whitey" for no reason.

pastor · 06-25-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Um, I agreed with them. WTF?

I only was curious why Julio and Siraj decided they would attack "whitey" for no reason.

I'm not talking about the reasons you posted. I'm talking about the ones you didn't. There's a tinge (read: tsunami) of defensiveness to your arguments that bespeaks more than just the usual righteous indignation.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mayfuck
A non-racist white person wouldn't be bothered by affirmative action. But you're white, you have it good, so we have these little issues to give you something to be angry about because as a white person you have little or nothing to be angry about. I'm envious.

Ok, first of all, as I posted before, I am not 100% "white."

Second of all, I have little or nothing to be worried about? Shit, that is so fucking racist of you, Julio. My mother had nothing. Our family had nothing. Everything I have, I have earned through work. When I applied for college, my scholorships told me I would have more if I was "more of a minority" and that I was "too white." My social and economic issues were not a factor.

I believe that economic issues could be used for consideration as far as preferential treatment is concerned for entrance into a Univertsity, but do you really believe that a rich black or hispanic with a better test score than a white person from the ghetto should be denied entrance into a University in lieu of the other? I sincerely doubt that, since all you seem to defend is color rather than opportunity.

When you claim that I am angry about people of "dark skin" in SoCal, you're right, if anyone is illegal. I don't like the fact that unemployment is approaching 8% in California and there are illegal immigrants earning paychecks and in addition, government funding and welfare. Welfare and education paid for by taxpayers for illegal immigrants is revolting to me.

I don't look at the color of someone's skin, I look at their passport. It is far easier for you to call me a racist than to actually defeat any of my points.

Nimrod's Son · 06-25-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by pastor

I'm not talking about the reasons you posted. I'm talking about the ones you didn't. There's a tinge (read: tsunami) of defensiveness to your arguments that bespeaks more than just the usual righteous indignation.

I'm sorry if inequality makes me sick to my stomach, but that's just the way it is.

I have been a huge supporter of equal rights my entire life. Equal rights /= Affirmative Action.

scouse_dave · 06-25-2003, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Lie
I find it interesting that just about everyone I've met who's been wholly enthusiastic about affirmative action has been white.

i haven't met anyone in favour of it...white or otherwise

06-25-2003, 03:50 AM	#36
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	It is truly amazing to me that whenever economic standing is raised as a viable alternative to racial status as a barometer for preferential treatment is considered, that all of a sudden, the minorities get all pissed off. You know what? If there is ever to be ANY perferential treatment (and i disagree with any, whatsoever) I will only ever accept it based on financing. Last edited by Nimrod's Son : 06-25-2003 at 04:10 AM.

06-25-2003, 02:39 AM	#31
Crippler Apocalyptic Poster Location: Up in this bitch Posts: 4,446	I hear all these white people complaining, "We're losing the country! We're losing everything! Affirmative action! Quotas! We're losing everything!".... Y'all ain't losin' SHIT! If you're losin', WHO'S WINNIN'? It ain't US! I look around this mothafucka, it AIN'T US! Don't let Shaq fool ya. Not everyone get a cut o' that check! - Chris Rock

06-25-2003, 03:08 AM	#32
King of Devious Demi-God Location: East Lansing Michigan Posts: 252	4.0 gpa 30 act 42 credit hours from ap tests (8 total) and i didnt get into u of m thats a crime, my friend works in the U of M office and files applications, and said minorities got into u of m engineering with a less then a 3.0 How is that fair? I seriously busted my ass in high school

06-25-2003, 03:57 AM	#37
Mayfuck Banned Location: i'm from japan also hollywood Posts: 57,812	Aww poor whitey can't have everything

06-25-2003, 04:03 AM	#38
Why Am I So Ugly? Apocalyptic Poster Location: in a bottle for 100 years Posts: 3,835

06-25-2003, 04:44 AM	#53
pastor Apocalyptic Poster Location: somewhere Posts: 2,276	I actually agree with the people who disagreed with my original statement. Economic status is and should be a more important factor than race when it comes to college admissions. With money, it is easier to quantify the inequalities between people and to illustrate its impact on the quality of pre-college education. When it comes to sociocultural trends -- to the inner workings of the individual's mind and his perceptions of race as shaped by society -- it is not so easy to concretize inequalities that may exist. Those on the benefitting side of such trends can easily choose to ignore them, can smugly leave it to the "Theorists of Institutional Racism" (aka the white guilt-afflicted liberals, the opportunistic minorities, etc.) to prove, knowing full well that all the evidence lies within their well-guarded minds. Meanwhile, those on the unbenefitting side of white privilege can shut the fuck up because they have no recourse to prove their claims. Their only proof that whites don't want to share the sandbox (and don't want to admit that they don't want to share the sandbox) are the overwhelming statistics correlating race and poverty -- which, in a rational world, would be sufficient, but doesn't really cut it in ours. That correlation is because blacks and latinos are lazy, y'know. I agree that affirmative action isn't the best way to address the problem (and yes, it is a problem) of institutional racism. An injustice cannot correct past injustices. But it is A way, and abolishing it wholly leaves no remaining remedy for the problem. An upshot of shifting affirmative action to a greater economic focus is that it will invariably help minorities. Draw yourself a Ven diagram with three circles: "Poor," "African-American," and "Hispanic." You'll find that a large part of the latter two circles lie within the first. And it ain't because brown people are lazy and unwilling to learn. Those opposed to affirmative action are right to oppose it, because it's unjust and it's a ham-fisted attempt to correct a social problem whose solution can only be found in a profound change in the way people think. And if India's anti-caste laws tell us anything, it's that legislation cannot change people's hearts. cue crying Indian and downtrodden Earth Mother from Captain Planet And while I agree in principle with those who oppose AA, I fear that their reasons are different than mine. I fear that many white people oppose it because of their underlying assumption that educational (and thus economic) advancements for minorities means a step back for them. "More for 'Them' means less for 'Us.'" They appeal to a high-minded principle of equality -- which is perfectly legitimate -- when really, underneath and beneath it all, they don't like AA because it doesn't benefit them. This doesn't apply to everyone opposed to AA, but I see it often.

06-25-2003, 04:48 AM	#54
pastor Apocalyptic Poster Location: somewhere Posts: 2,276	Oh, yeah: Irrevelant and Lie are examples of people who oppose Affirmative Action for the right reasons. Nimrod's Son isn't. Really, guy, you're sad.