vegans & honey

shaniqua · 06-03-2003, 05:35 PM

my roommate is vegan and won't touch anything with beeswax or honey.

my best friend is vegan and uses honey and beeswax all the time.

i guess it's a personal opinion as to whether or not insect products can be classified as animal products. what do the vegans here think?

oui henri · 06-03-2003, 05:39 PM

peta is against it,i know that much, but then again, they're a little extreme for me.

i'm not a fan of honey anyway, so, i'm not missing out.

shaniqua · 06-03-2003, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oui henri
peta is against it,i know that much, but then again, they're a little extreme for me.

i'm not a fan of honey anyway, so, i'm not missing out.

do you go out of your way to avoid products with honey in it? (teas, cereals, stirfry sauces, etc)?

Eve · 06-03-2003, 05:43 PM

i was under the impression that vegetarians didn't eat any animals (meat, poultry, fish, eggs, etc.) and that vegans didn't use ANY animal products whatsoever. no honey, no milk or dairy at all....

Nimrod's Son · 06-03-2003, 05:44 PM

Why anyone would want to eat the vomit of an insect is beyond me.

oui henri · 06-03-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shaunna

do you go out of your way to avoid products with honey in it? (teas, cereals, stirfry sauces, etc)?

i'm a very picky eater.
i don't like honey by itself or in my food.

i hardly buy any products that consist of honey for these reasons.
but if the odd granola bar has honey in it and i can't taste it, i'm not going to reject it.
check this link out, it has all of those "is it okay to...?" vegetarian questions
http://www.askcarla.com/ac/tempfaq/moretopics.html

here's what they say about honey

What’s wrong with eating honey?

Unfortunately, like factory farmers, many beekeepers take inhumane steps to ensure personal safety and reach production quotas. It’s not unusual for larger honey producers to cut off the queen bee’s wings so that she can’t leave the colony or to have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version of the factory farm "rape rack." When the keeper wants to move a queen to a new colony, she is carried with "bodyguard" bees, all of whom—if they survive transport—will be killed by bees in the new colony. Large commercial operations may also take all the honey instead of leaving the 60 pounds or so that bees need to get through the winter. They replace the rich honey with a cheap sugar substitute that is not as fortifying. In colder areas, if the keepers consider it too costly to keep the bees alive through the winter, they destroy the hives by pouring gasoline on them and setting them on fire. Also, bees are often killed or have their wings and legs torn off by haphazard handling. According to the Cook-DuPage Beekeepers Association, humans have been using honey since about 15,000 B.C., but it wasn’t until the 20th century that people turned bees into factory-farmed animals. Happily, many sweeteners are made without killing bees: Rice syrup, molasses, sorghum, Sucanat, barley malt, maple syrup, cane sugar, and dried fruit or fruit concentrates can replace honey in recipes. Using these will keep your diet bee-free.

shaniqua · 05:47 PM

i dunno. being mean to bees seems kinda on par with swatting flies in my opinion.

Irrelevant · 06-03-2003, 06:13 PM

i don't kill bugs. why do they have more of a right to live than me? if i was a vegan, i'm sure i'd feel the same way about honey. then again you have to choose a point. what about all the poor yeasts that die.

Eulogy · 06-03-2003, 06:23 PM

I still don't understand vegans.

Oh well.

Chris FitzPatrick · 06-03-2003, 09:47 PM

Is it possible to make honey without the use of bees? I have always wondered that. If we can send a man to the moon we should be able to find a way to make honey.

sppunk · 06-03-2003, 09:55 PM

PETA can suck me.

aspecialkid · 10:04 PM

even if i did eat meat, i dont use honey, bee spit is not my thing,

KingJeremy · 06-03-2003, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shaunna
i dunno. being mean to bees seems kinda on par with swatting flies in my opinion.

Correct. What's the difference between killing bees and killing a cockroach?

sarmatianus · 06-04-2003, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oui henri
have her artificially inseminated on a bee-sized version of the factory farm "rape rack."

What about all those poor bacteria and viruses that our bodies kill everyday? Don't they have rights too?

beef curtains · 06-04-2003, 10:58 AM

MMM.......honey baked ham

yeah whatever · 06-04-2003, 11:03 AM

hahahahahah

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
fuck.

Never Nohen · 06-04-2003, 11:35 AM

Most of the vegans I know eat honey. Their reasoning is like...there's no such thing as cruelty to bees, because bees are too insignificant to feel pain or something. (Read: "I want some baklava. Screw this vegan shit.")

But I know you technically can't be a member of like, The Official Worldwide Vegan Organisation ~~of Our Blessed Mother Soy Extract~~ if you eat honey. So apparently honey is off-limits to TR00 V3G4n5.

(I know this because it says so in the front of my vegan cookbook. Why do I have a vegan cookbook? Don't ask me. I eat red meat. Raw on occasion.

I guess I figured, I'm from Boulder. I oughta know how to cook something that more than 55% of my friends can eat. I tried it for a week, just to see. It actually wasn't that bad. Except the cheese. Vegan 'cheese' is the epitome of Tastes Like Ass.)

And that's all I have to say about that.

06-03-2003, 05:35 PM	#1
shaniqua Minion of Satan Location: that's my prerogative Posts: 7,420	vegans & honey my roommate is vegan and won't touch anything with beeswax or honey. my best friend is vegan and uses honey and beeswax all the time. i guess it's a personal opinion as to whether or not insect products can be classified as animal products. what do the vegans here think?

06-03-2003, 05:44 PM	#7
shaniqua Minion of Satan Location: that's my prerogative Posts: 7,420	i dunno. being mean to bees seems kinda on par with swatting flies in my opinion. Last edited by shaniqua : 06-03-2003 at 05:47 PM.

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aspecialkid THE COOK Location: MI, LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami Posts: 2,010	even if i did eat meat, i dont use honey, bee spit is not my thing, Last edited by aspecialkid : 06-03-2003 at 10:04 PM.

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06-03-2003, 05:39 PM	#2
oui henri Minion of Satan Location: Fuckoffity Land Posts: 5,270	peta is against it,i know that much, but then again, they're a little extreme for me. i'm not a fan of honey anyway, so, i'm not missing out.

06-03-2003, 05:43 PM	#4
Eve Apocalyptic Poster Location: st. louis missouri Posts: 1,952	i was under the impression that vegetarians didn't eat any animals (meat, poultry, fish, eggs, etc.) and that vegans didn't use ANY animal products whatsoever. no honey, no milk or dairy at all....

06-03-2003, 05:44 PM	#5
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	Why anyone would want to eat the vomit of an insect is beyond me.

06-03-2003, 06:13 PM	#8
Irrelevant Minion of Satan Location: kitties Posts: 6,842	i don't kill bugs. why do they have more of a right to live than me? if i was a vegan, i'm sure i'd feel the same way about honey. then again you have to choose a point. what about all the poor yeasts that die.

06-03-2003, 06:23 PM	#9
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,361	I still don't understand vegans. Oh well.

06-03-2003, 09:47 PM	#10
Chris FitzPatrick Pledge Location: Wallingford, CT, USA Posts: 173	Is it possible to make honey without the use of bees? I have always wondered that. If we can send a man to the moon we should be able to find a way to make honey.

06-03-2003, 09:55 PM	#11
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,125	PETA can suck me.

06-04-2003, 10:58 AM	#15
beef curtains Immortal Location: I like me so much better when you're naked Posts: 21,752	MMM.......honey baked ham

06-04-2003, 11:03 AM	#16
yeah whatever Ownz Location: UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER. Posts: 518	hahahahahah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fuck.

06-04-2003, 11:35 AM	#17
Never Nohen Apocalyptic Poster Location: Never Never Land Posts: 2,981	Most of the vegans I know eat honey. Their reasoning is like...there's no such thing as cruelty to bees, because bees are too insignificant to feel pain or something. (Read: "I want some baklava. Screw this vegan shit.") But I know you technically can't be a member of like, The Official Worldwide Vegan Organisation ~~of Our Blessed Mother Soy Extract~~ if you eat honey. So apparently honey is off-limits to TR00 V3G4n5. (I know this because it says so in the front of my vegan cookbook. Why do I have a vegan cookbook? Don't ask me. I eat red meat. Raw on occasion. I guess I figured, I'm from Boulder. I oughta know how to cook something that more than 55% of my friends can eat. I tried it for a week, just to see. It actually wasn't that bad. Except the cheese. Vegan 'cheese' is the epitome of Tastes Like Ass.) And that's all I have to say about that.