Another USA gun massacre

[MyOneAndOnly]

This mass murder fucktard wasn't radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by a homophobic family and a homophobic American culture. Go to any major news outlet in the USA and there is report after report of out Nation's leaders threatening queer people. The primary candidates in the GOP debated repeatedly over who was best suited to take rights away from gay people. In the past year there have been countless laws passed or proposed in the states to establish gay/straight Segregation and to legalized discrimination against LGBTQ people.

This guy was born in the USA. Is is just like every bigot before him who has murdered gay people. He just killed more of them. And calling him a radical Islamist is a way of letting Conservative American doctrine and politics off the hook for their culture of hate.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Maher is a great comic polemicist. But he suffers from some large blind spots when it comes to a number of issues, especially his crusade against science based medicine and his belief that the world's religions exist on a spectrum of terrible, with Islam being the most terrible and Judaism the least.

Not unlike other outspoken atheists (like Hitchens), that doesn't mean he is wrong about everything.

[MyOneAndOnly]

The Pulse Nightclub killer's own Senator claims gays are a threat to Christianity

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/politi...ech/index.html

[MyOneAndOnly]

Radical christianist?

[FoolofaTook]

Its Chritianity's fault, since Moses says to kill homos is Leviticus.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Um, Moses was a Jew

[Disco King]

I found a video of a Christian saying we should kill gays. Using Aeroplanian induction, we can safely infer from this that all Christians want to kill gays.

http://the-daily.buzz/preacher-orlan...19013b248da655

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by TheAeroplane

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[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

The Nazi genocide had nothing to do with land and resources. In fact it drained essential resources and manpower from the German war effort. Hitler's anti semitism had a nearly 2000 year history that is rooted in the doctrine of the Catholic Church. It was the pinnacle of over a 1000 years of European attacks and slaughters of European Jews.

I could spend the rest of the day today listing examples of religious based wars and genocides that had no logical connection to land and resources. While it's often true, it isn't always and saying it's all over land and resources is a drastic oversimplification. People are not that simple.

1. That's not a war tho, so duh it didn't have to do with land

2. Racism towards Jews is more complicated than that/ not exclusively the fault of the catholic church

[redbreegull]

the jews killed christ so they are fair game

[Elphenor]

its also important to note that the organized church is a separate entity from the religion itself

[Elphenor]

To say that The Holocaust is the fault of the catholic religion because Hitler was catholic is quite a stretch in reasoning

[buzzard]

Accompanying your graphic with a legend would have been the least you could do, mate.

[TheEdgeboy]

Originally Posted by reprise85

I'm not even talking about this shooting in particular. No civilian needs automatic assault rifles. There's no narrative here. No one should be able to get them.

There is a distinction between automatic and semi-automatic. There are strict laws to the former, so I'm guessing you really mean semi-automatics. I disagree on principle, but I'm also aware this issue is something of a massive red-herring.

It's just another divide and conquer ploy and the level of defense technology that the elites have to protect themselves from revolt transcends our pea shooters and firecrackers by comparison.

anyway 85. Your last sentiment there is the reason why these false flag events keep using an AR-15. They are conditioning the public to that very response. I guess its working on you and many others.

[reprise85]

sigh

so if you disagree on principal are you saying you think people should be able to own AR-15s?

and yes absolutely any gov't group that wanted to kill everyone with AR-15s would have no problem. so the AR-15s that we have, since they are useless against an army of fucking drones and tanks and hydrogen bombs, are only used by citizens to kill each other. what reason is good enough to let people keep getting them in the face of the facts that 1) mentally unwell people routinely get these guns with no problem, legally 2) mass shootings are more and more routine? does the second amendment afford you the right to have any weapon you choose? clearly we have a point where people can't get them. it should ******* these weapons.

I know you think all this shit is false flag but can you put that aside for one moment and actually answer the questions thanks

[TheEdgeboy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

This mass murder fucktard wasn't radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by a homophobic family and a homophobic American culture. Go to any major news outlet in the USA and there is report after report of out Nation's leaders threatening queer people. The primary candidates in the GOP debated repeatedly over who was best suited to take rights away from gay people. In the past year there have been countless laws passed or proposed in the states to establish gay/straight Segregation and to legalized discrimination against LGBTQ people.

This guy was born in the USA. Is is just like every bigot before him who has murdered gay people. He just killed more of them. And calling him a radical Islamist is a way of letting Conservative American doctrine and politics off the hook for their culture of hate.

You're just a walking, talking bag of indoctrinated shit every time you type man. You're wrong on every level, I can only begin to explain just how so...so, here's what's pertinent to this thread:


scottyindoctrinated says:

This mass murder fucktard wasn't radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by a homophobic family and a homophobic American culture.



Omar Mateen said to Orlando Dispatch when he called 9/11:



Orlando Police Dispatcher (OD): Emergency 911, this is being recorded.
Shooter (OM): In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficial [in Arabic]
OD: What?
OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [in Arabic]. I let you know, I'm in Orlando and I did the shootings.
OD: What's your name?
OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
OD: Ok, What's your name?
OM: I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State.
OD: Alright, where are you at?
OM: In Orlando.
OD: Where in Orlando?
[End of call.]




This call was said to have taken place a half-hour into the shooting at Pulse in Orlando. Maybe the F.B.I. will release the audio next, just so we know it actually took place. I don't really doubt much it at this point, but its nice to have verification.

[TheEdgeboy]

Originally Posted by reprise85

sigh

so if you disagree on principal are you saying you think people should be able to own AR-15s?

There were a DOZEN murders in 57 shootings THIS WEEKEND in Chicago, a city that has some of the most stringent anti-gun laws in the whole country. Anti-gun proposals is purely for political liberal fashionistas who eschew reality to make themselves think they are doing something for the common good.



That and the AR-15 has been targeted by the elites in all these staged false-flag shootings. I understand that because I've looked at all the evidence that supports it in too many events to mention since '08 or so.


So yeah, on principle, why would I support a measure that's been induced by falsehoods and deep-state chicanery?

[TheEdgeboy]

Originally Posted by reprise85

so the AR-15s that we have, since they are useless against an army of fucking drones and tanks and hydrogen bombs, are only used by citizens to kill each other.

You know reprise, every once in awhile you waltz right into the motherload of too much truth. If with each of these mass shootings and talk of gun restrictions gun sales reach new heights, this comment from you here stumbles right around the edges of a big conspiracy: consider also how our gov has allowed hundreds of thousands of gang members and terrorist in our country, even recruiting many into our military to teach them to become good foreign mercenaries...oops, I mean, U.S. soldiers.

All those techniques they learned going house to house overseas???...!!!... : / coming here??? hmmmmm..........you Say it can't happen? well, it already got beta-tested big time during that whole Shelter in Place charade the elites played in the boston bombing false flag.

Anyway, yeah. they been pushing for Civil War real hard the last few years...here's hoping they fail.

[TheEdgeboy]

As I suspected, but with a twist -- interesting he turned the FBI down:



FBI Tried To 'Lure' Omar Mateen Into A Terror Plot Before Orlando Shooting

Before Omar Mateen gunned down 49 patrons of the LGBTQ Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, the FBI attempted to induce him to participate in a terror plot. Sheriff Ken Mascara of Florida’s St. Lucie County told the Vero Beach Press Journal that after Mateen threatened a courthouse deputy in 2013 by claiming he could order Al Qaeda operatives to kill his family, the FBI dispatched an informant to "lure Omar into some kind of act and Omar did not bite."

[TheEdgeboy]

Here is to me the most interesting development of the post Orlando shooting. Maybe some of you remember hearing about that guy headed to the LA Pride parade getting busted with ammo? Well...







http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects...anned-attacks/


this intel is said to be from a former L.A. prosecutor who works for this website and they would know the legal blowback by the CIA if such a report was false by a web-site they rep.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Is this TOCs sock?

[TheAeroplane]

https://youtu.be/PYMIj5ZuT-k

[TheAeroplane]

Originally Posted by Disco King

I found a video of a Christian saying we should kill gays. Using Aeroplanian induction, we can safely infer from this that all Christians want to kill gays.

http://the-daily.buzz/preacher-orlan...19013b248da655

LOL@this moron. The video I posted shows an ENTIRE audience of Muslims raising their hands agreeing with their lunatic preacher and even admitting they are the MODERATE ones LOOOOL while you posted a video of a single Christian lunatic with no support from anyone and you're trying to compare them. LOOOOL this is why SJWs have become such a joke nationwide. But making fun of you guys has become way too easy. It's not even a challenge anymore.

[Elphenor]

Very weak trolling

Using "SJW" is a dead giveaway

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by TheEdgeboy

There were a DOZEN murders in 57 shootings THIS WEEKEND in Chicago, a city that has some of the most stringent anti-gun laws in the whole country. Anti-gun proposals is purely for political liberal fashionistas who eschew reality to make themselves think they are doing something for the common good.



That and the AR-15 has been targeted by the elites in all these staged false-flag shootings. I understand that because I've looked at all the evidence that supports it in too many events to mention since '08 or so.


So yeah, on principle, why would I support a measure that's been induced by falsehoods and deep-state chicanery?

It's a red herring to say we shouldn't stop selling one gun that can kill lots of people extremely quickly, because other shootings happen with other guns. And I know you think all of these events are false flags, but that also doesn't change the fact that the AR-15 is a gun no one needs to have.

[MyOneAndOnly]

The vast a majority of gun deaths in the USA are from hand guns. But for one person to kill 50 people they need a semi automatic weapon with a large capacity magazine. We ought to be outlawing all semi automatic weapons as well as handguns.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by TheAeroplane

LOL@this moron. The video I posted shows an ENTIRE audience of Muslims raising their hands agreeing with their lunatic preacher and even admitting they are the MODERATE ones LOOOOL while you posted a video of a single Christian lunatic with no support from anyone and you're trying to compare them. LOOOOL this is why SJWs have become such a joke nationwide. But making fun of you guys has become way too easy. It's not even a challenge anymore.

Not the quickest aeroplane in the hangar, are you? Doesn't appear to be a whole lot going on in the cockpit.

Do the math and tell me if that audience of Muslims amounts to even a percentage point more of the entire faith than the pastor represents of Baptists. The point that you cannot seem to grasp is that it is absurd to think a video showing a single congregation is enough evidence to make the sweeping claims you're making. Just because you have one particular video that has an audience of Muslims affirming the death penalty for gays, and one particular video showing just one Baptist Christian affirming the death penalty for gays, doesn't mean that we can conclude that most Muslims affirm the death penalty for gays, and only a solitary Baptist does. Them simply saying they are moderate doesn't mean that you can conclude that the represent moderates. How many people, regardless of their views, walk around calling themselves "extremists?"

Not only is it a dumb point, but it is also a moot point, anyway, because one could easily find groups of Christians who hold the same views, as well. Such as the Westboro Baptist Church. Rallies held by Christians who support the death penalty for gays have even been attended by Republican candidates such as Cruz, Jindall, and Huckabee.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ing-conference
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...gays-put-death
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement...ial_candidates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michel...b_8544540.html

We could also just look at actual data, rather than anecdotes, to see that the percent of American Muslims who favour allowing gay marriage is in line with the percent of American Christians.

[Elphenor]

You are super super dense if you think Islam is the reason for that

Please tell me that is not the point you are trying to make

Take it back. It's not too late to not look like an idiot

[Elphenor]

Also you do realize there are also majority Christian countries in Africa where homosexuality is illegal right

I mean all of what you're saying is utter horseshit

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Poots

that might be a good statistic if we were talking about gay marriage, but we're talking about the death penalty for gay people in Islamic countries.
Total for Islam: 10.
Total for every other religion: 0.

I think American Muslims' views on what should be law in the United States are more relevant to the question of whether Islam poses a threat to the U.S. than the views of Muslims in the third world.

Originally Posted by Poots

if you can't see the difference in not wanting to bake a wedding cake for a couple of gay men and cutting their goddamn heads off then I'm not sure how to explain it

How many Muslims who support gay marriage also support the death penalty for gays, do you estimate?

If there are enough, I suppose we can hold the reception and the execution at the same venue.