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[teh b0lly!!1]

Originally Posted by cork_soaker

totally

could you even deal with it if you were like, pushing the back side of a closet, and it would actually creek open

[yo soy el mejor]

creak. creek is that thing with water. (spanish is not my first language- just as english is not yours- and i would appreciate being corrected because i always want to learn. but i am sorry if i am being offensive to you by pointing out the mistake. i won't in the future if you say as much)

that would be cool, btw. just like them narnia books.

[teh b0lly!!1]

nope, appreciated. thanks. this actually wasn't a typo, i thought both words spelled the same.

[teh b0lly!!1]

[yo soy el mejor]

class dismissed

[yo soy el mejor]

dawson's creek aka dawson's thing with water

[ilikeplanets]

I'm late but I'm also sorry toase. I'm drunk too or I would have said something earlier.

[ilikeplanets]

I hope you're okay tonight

[myosis]

dawson's crack

[FoolofaTook]

You guys know any decent free games for an android phone? I just got one the other day and am trying to figure out how to use this wonderful thing.

Oh and I like strategy, shooters and space ship explosions and shit.

[myosis]

i played asterix megaslap once for a few hours. fun, stupid, total time waster.

[FoolofaTook]

I like Asterix. Was his little dog in it? How was Obelix doing? Still carrying around obelisks? And how about Magestix? I hope he was in good health, that his beard waxed luxuriant!

[FoolofaTook]

I hope you weren't slapping our Gaul hero. I hope you were slapping the cowardly Romans.

I hope.

[redbreegull]

I don't wanna wait
for our lives to be over

[ilikeplanets]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

i mean yeah schools should better equip you for dealing with life, but if we're doing that, why don't we just take one step backwards and have people be required to pass a bar exam to have kids, making sure the potential parents are actually capable of raising a child without fucking them up for good

I feel like this would lead to a lot of murder

[teh b0lly!!1]

yea that's a good thing tho, we need less ppl

#remembering_harambe

[reprise85]

i play candy crush saga

[Run To Me]

Anybody know anything about spin cycling? Like 4 exercise? Can't run anymore, my knees fuckd, wanna start pedaling

Like, how do u do it to get a good workout? Pump fast then hard? Or hard then fast? Etc?

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by reprise85

Yes, those topics definitely interest me. The other thing about memory is that, it's reconstructed. So every time you remember something, you're really remembering the last time you remembered it. Which leads to a whole host of other cognitive biases that could come into play (whatever your defense mechanisms were then, plus what they are now). And don't get me started on false confessions and unreliable eyewitness testimony.

Yeah, there also seem to be social desirability biases (you tell a story, people find some parts of it funnier than others and those parts get a better response, so you focus on those parts) and also sorta "stealing" other people's memories (you and somebody else see an event, and that person perceived it differently from you, but after you talk about the event, you assimilate the things they remember into what you think you remembered). That last part could be a big part of why eyewitnesses agreeing may not be evidence of their story being true, especially if they talked amongst themselves after the event and weren't isolated and questioned independently quickly enough.

Originally Posted by reprise85

I took a police psychology course last summer and we learned about those two topics in great detail. It's unfortunate, but the vast majority of police interviews involve cops who have only been trained the equivalent of what I learned this summer. It would make sense if police at least consulted with a forensic psychologist during the interview process, but in practice it basically never happens.

Yeah, it seems that there should be a "scientific revolution" within the criminal justice system, with more attention paid to developments in psychology over the past 50 years, and a shifting of the weight we attribute to different sorts of evidence.

Originally Posted by reprise85

I don't find it surprising that they were able to implant false memories. My bigger question is how easily it happens when someone isn't doing it on purpose (e.g., controversies about remembered child abuse possibly being fabricated in therapy due to incompetent therapists). I'm sure it's possible and has happened, but some people contest that a lot of the claims are false memories remembered in this way.

I remember reading something about a whole bunch of false accusations caused be therapists who convinced their patients that they were recovering repressed memories. Dr. Shaw also mentioned that she recently worked on a case (she's also a forensic psychologist) in which a woman "recovered" repressed memories of her father kidnapping and murdering small girls and burying them in parks. Apparently this woman went to a therapist for depression, and the therapist told her that the depression was likely caused by past sexual abuse, and suggested that she look at missing persons websites to see if anything sparked her memory.

The woman claimed that these events occurred at age two, but people don't have autobiographical memories at that age.

Even after debriefing subjects in Shaw and Porter's experiments, the false memories that they had implanted didn't really cease to have the qualities of memories. They still "remembered" them. The only difference is that they now labeled them as "false" in their heads and were cognizant of the fact that they never happened, even though they "remember" them.

The reason we aren't constantly confusing our imaginations with memory is that memories ******* information from all our senses, but imagination doesn't tend to. However, these experiments instructed subjects to imagine all the sensory information that is part of memory, but that we don't tend to bother with for imagination. At that point, imagination becomes indistinguishable from memory, and even the same brain systems are used to process both. The only way to distinguish false memories from true ones is corroborating evidence.

Originally Posted by reprise85

I personally have had the experience of suddenly remembering a memory I'd forgotten. Stuff I was able to verify with someone else, mostly. So I definitely believe entire periods of memory can be repressed. I had repressed, for example, a week-long trip I took to Oklahoma when I was with my ex where we met up with some old friends he had. I don't even remember it as a traumatic thing - but I'd forgotten it completely, until I remembered it.

It's definitely an interesting field.

That's interesting. Yeah, it's good that you could verify it with someone else so that you know for sure.

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

it's not absolutely groundbreaking, but it's good that there's some proper research about it.

Yeah, a lot of the stuff in there about memory not being like this recording we play back in our heads, but being reconstructed all the time, and people placing more emphasis on certain details until they distort the whole thing, wouldn't be very new to anybody who's taken an introductory social psychology course, or maybe reads stuff like Scientific American or watches John Green YouTube videos. A lot of the earlier work on false memory was done by people like Loftus, and Shaw & Porter are nowhere near the first people to study this.

I think what is significant about their findings is just the extent to which they demonstrated we can create false memories. Loftus' experiments seem tamer in comparison, convincing subjects that they got lost at the mall at age six, rather than that they committed an armed assault.

Shaw was saying that first, they convinced people that they went for a hot air balloon rides as children, even photoshopping images of them as children in the balloons, and the subjects "remembered" the events, even providing additional components of the memory, like going for ice cream afterwards. Critics of the study, however, argued that perhaps all these people (which were, like, 40% of the subjects) actually did go for hot air balloon rides as a kid, so the memories weren't false.

So next, Shaw and her team tried seeing if they could implant impossible memories in people. They implanted memories of shaking Bugs Bunny's hand at Disneyland. Critics still maintained that this wasn't significant, as the memory was "trivial."

After that, Shaw implanted false memories of having tea with Prince Charles, and then finally this latest study (from 2013, I think), in which they convinced people that they committed assaults.

[ilikeplanets]

I have the opposite problem of totally forgetting things that there is proof I did. Scary.

[ilikeplanets]

By the way I love John Green and his brother and have watched way too many of their videos

[reprise85]

re: autobiographical memories @ age 2

There are some people in the field that believe that traumatic events can somehow be stored differently from other memories. The whole theory of why people don't have autobiographical memory before about age 3 is because it coinsides with formation of language, however we know that events before age 3 can affect somebody profoundly, and perhaps the sheer visceral nature of something like witnessing a murder can prompt some other type of encoding in the brain that doesn't need language. I can kinda buy this, if were talking about the info coming back in dreams or later tinging flashbacks of other traumatic memories.

I know one woman who supposedly witnessed several murders at age 2-3 and remembered them much later, and according to her she reported the memories (decades later) to the police and they were able to link her supposed memory of what the victim looked like to john doe case who was murdered in this way in the part of the country she said. Additionally, the person who she thought she saw do it (her father) had definitely committed other murders and was currently in prison. However, there's obvious problems in this story. How many people can be generalized to any description of a person, especially of the same race. And how easy would it be to believe that it makes sense that you're attributing it to someone we know is a murderer, but that's really begging the question/circular logic. However, it's still compelling and I think it's possible it's a genuine memory.

I do think it's dangerous to say that only corroborating evidence is proof of memory. First of all, obviously in many situations that will never happen just by virtue of the 1-on-1 nature of sexual abuse, for example. I also don't think uncovering the absolute truth is necessarily important for someone to heal or whatever. Obviously if someone is accusing someone else or going to the police, that's different.

I personally struggle with my memories. I have some from when I was younger of a traumatic nature and I genuinely am confused about if they're real or not.

[myosis]

i remember my cousin calling me 'sheep' when i was 2 and i hated it. he called me that because my hair was all curly. i can see in pictures of my childhood and birthdays that my hair had become all straight by age 3.

when i look at the pictures of me age 2, i can also remember some events, but according to that hot air balloon experiment, i guess i can't necessarily trust these to be real....
the sheep thing through is unrelated to pictures.

[redbreegull]

I have vague memories (and a few specific ones) of being that young, but yeah, I guess there's no way to tell if they are accurate. I remember seeing The Nightmare Before Christmas in theaters with my parents, and I would have had to have been 2-3 then. I've never seen the movie other than this one time so either this really happened, or I saw the movie when I was older and somehow invented this early memory, or I've never seen the movie at all and the entire recollection is false.

I also remember being in the hospital when my sister was born, and I was 2.5 then. I have some specific memories of things from that time, like a present my grandmother gave me when she got to the hospital.

[redbreegull]

yo I'm bored as shit and stuck at work for another 2 hours before I can go toke with my bois. can someone please say something coll or interesting

[teh b0lly!!1]

i was on tv yesterday

forreal

[LaBelle]

When do we get to see it?

[ilikeplanets]

Why?

[reprise85]

I do have a memory from 3 years old when I was in the hospital in some kind of crib that was fashioned to the wall (basically a cage) and my mom was in the room on a hospital bed, and I was really upset that I couldn't get to her. I remember trying to somehow fit through the bars and seeing blue-tinged light in the windows (probably dawn).

My mom remembers it and she called it a cage herself. She told me I was getting my tonsils out and she had a bad infection and I was inconsolable without being able to see her so they put me in a room with her. Why they had a room with a crib cage on the wall, I don't know. I'm pretty sure this is my first memory.

[fuzzyroes]

Bought one of these yesterday. HMV had em on sale for 40 bucks! Best purchase ever



Has 37 prime Genisis games built in with 40 other little ones