2016 Presidential General Election Thread

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Yeah man it's a totally minor issue whether women should be forced to carry foetuses to term by the state and whether they can have it treated like any other medical procedure or will have to get it done illegally in some back alley with improper tools and care totally minor



You realize that mass deportations of illegals would cost the state way more money than it could possibly be worth even if the narrative of illegals taking yer jerbs and burdening the system were true, correct?

You realize that building a wall on the U.S./Mexico border would cost a hell of a lot more, correct?

You realize that Trump's tax cuts for the rich would increase the debt, correct?

You realize that the Democratic economic platform is a hell of a lot more developed than Trump's incoherent ramblings about somehow improving infrastructure, veteran's care, health care and education while simultaneously slashing everything and squeezing "every nickel" out of the public purse, correct?



Girls aged 15-19 account for 11% of abortions, and girls below 15 account for 0.2%. So no, it doesn't mostly affect women 13-22.



Yeah, changing your policies to reflect what the electorate wants is totally slimy but lying about your policies (assuming he even is) is totally cool

Also, how do you know that Clinton wasn't pro-gay marriage all along but pretending not to be to "dumb herself down," and is only now revealing her true opinions because the electorate is ready for it? Does



You can start by coming back to post here after you've read something longer than a Bazooka Joe comic.



So, the Republicans using abortion as a wedge issue to pander to religious nuts is somehow a ploy by the democrats.

Paul Ryan trying to make it so only the forms of rape he thinks are bad enough can permit for abortions, the Republicans jumping onto a YouTube video that was proven to be fraudulent in order to try to defund Planned Parenthood, various red states closing abortion clinics, those are all Democrat ploys. The Democrats are tricking the Republicans somehow.

Democrats responding to the Republicans' incessant attempts to restrict reproductive rights at every turn is bad because it's "riling people up"... makes sense.



Every flaw of Clinton's hawkish foreign policy is magnified in the Republicans' foreign policy.

Trump has advocated carpet bombing Syria and has openly said that he would bomb foreign countries and "take the oil."

The isolationist aspects of his foreign policy have nothing to do with ending U.S. militaristic imperialism, he just wants client states like Saudi Arabia to pay more before he helps them repress their populace and airstrike neighbouring countries.

He wants to increase spending on the military, which he said wasn't being funded enough, despite the fact that it's the biggest in the world and absurdly large already.

Trump's criticism of trade deals proceeds from completely different premises from Sanders', namely nationalistic premises rather than from any concern about the privileges they grant corporations at the expense of labour. His simplistic narrative is something something China is winning. In most respects, trade deals benefit the U.S. and disadvantage the Third World.

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[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by ninsp

And then the Dems think that getting Hollywood elite to speak to their point will change anything? LOL. Lena Dunham--aka sister fucker--speaking makes me even less likely to want to support the Dems

Yeah what the fuck was that all about? Snoop Doggy Dogg? Lena Dunham? The actress who played Ugly Betty? What a shit show.

At least a guy like Scott Bao is a long-time friend of Donald Trump who can offer an inside perspective.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

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Fuzzy, I know Scotty calls you a retard, but I think that is uncalled for.

Most intellectually-disabled people I have met are very curious and try to learn new things harder than anyone else, even if they are limited from grasping them. They are always asking questions and trying to investigate things.

You, on the other hand, are ignorant in the pure sense of the term. The root word of "ignorant" being "ignore." That's worse than being slow, because ignoring is an active effort to block out new information.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

The one common trait between Bernie or Bust and Trump supporters is their delusional obsession with throwing away their votes.

Cause nothing shows the rest of the world you're serious about change than wrecking things.

Nothing changes if you don't tear it all down and start from scratch.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Nothing changes if you don't tear it all down and start from scratch.

Yeah, no rights have ever been won in the United States without all-out coups d'etat or revolutions.

[Disco King]

Counterpoint: fuzzy's brain started from scratch, yet remains there to this day.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Fuzzy, I know Scotty calls you a retard, but I think that is uncalled for.

Most intellectually-disabled people I have met are very curious and try to learn new things harder than anyone else, even if they are limited from grasping them. They are always asking questions and trying to investigate things.

You, on the other hand, are ignorant in the pure sense of the term. The root word of "ignorant" being "ignore." That's worse than being slow, because ignoring is an active effort to block out new information.

There's just way too much there to warrant responding to. There's plenty I disagree with, but I just don't have the energy at the moment to type up some huge rebuttal.

I got super baked for the first time in ages at the Weezer show last night so I'm still a little burnt out.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Yeah, no rights have ever been won in the United States without all-out coups d'etat or revolutions.

Has it not been proven to you by now that Hillary Clinton is corrupt as hell? Definitely has to be the most openly corrupt candidate to ever run. People are fed up cause the systems a crooked mess and having the most corrupt presidential hopeful running is a giant slap to the face of the American people.

Trumps struck a major chord with the country. If it was probably anyone other than Hillary Clinton running Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

You are forgetting that until this election cycle, theres never been a candidate in HISTORY to have unfavorable ratings as high as H.Clinton. No one in history!

She's a lousy candidate and she'll fake any stance necessary to con the people into voting for her. Her shticks public knowledge by now. This idea that Trumps a boogeyman and that H.Clintons your only choice is simply horseshit spoon-fed to you by the DNC and their media hype machines.

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

The guys a self-made billionaire. Sure, he had some bankruptcies but he's always been resilient and learned from his mistakes and bounced back. Resiliency is an important quality for a strong leader.

He was essentially chauffeured through his early working years and financially backed by an incredibly wealthy father before ultimately inheriting vast sums of money upon his death. Being born into virtually unparalleled privilege, not to mention startup capital to the tune of up to hundreds of millions of dollars, is hardly the story of a self-made man.

Then there's the fact that, if Trump had placed his wealth of over thirty years ago into an unmanaged stock index fund, he would be worth more today. This is something I had previously attempted to explain to you and essentially means that actively managing his own money has effectively been to his detriment.

Do these simple facts not conflict with the view you have of him?

[reprise85]

The one argument against the putting the money in the bank think is that, arguable, he's done more good with it by giving people jobs to build his stuff. That's the one thing I can come up with that might make it ok?

Clinton might be personally corrupt but she's not going to destroy the country or incite the people to tear it apart from the inside. She's going to support progressive policies and at least try to not be racist and discriminatory. This is much more important than whether or not she is personally corrupt, Fuzzy. How can you just ignore all of the bullshit Trump has promised? The Wall, Muslim registry (wtf?????), bombing civilians on purpose, praising dictators, etc etc etc. It just is unfathomable how you can ignore all of it. But then I know your response "Trump's only saying this stuff to get elected! He has to dumb himself down for everyone. The country is in debt, only a businessman can get it straightened out. Hillary is corrupt!!!!!!"

[vixnix]

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and...uch.touch.html

Has this been mentioned in the thread?

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

The guys a self-made billionaire. .

You missed the part where he's both not a billionaire and also not self-made

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

She's a lousy candidate and she'll fake any stance necessary to con the people into voting for her. Her shticks public knowledge by now. This idea that Trumps a boogeyman and that H.Clintons your only choice is simply horseshit spoon-fed to you by the DNC and their media hype machines.

Exactly. Trump is no worse than any other GOP.

[ninsp]

On another note: God, I love how the Shill supporters have now turned the narrative into "if you're a liberal and not voting for Hillary you're a racist AND a sexist who doesn't care about minorities!!"

Except, of course, Hillary being the most basic white bread candidate around.

[ilikeplanets]

Is it hard to emigrate, I wonder. Ready immediately.

[ilikeplanets]

That's been my sentiment since this election cycle started. I hate what they both represent and just can't vote for either of them. Ugh guess I won't

[redbreegull]

are people in other countries as obsessed with voting on personality and whether a candidate is like a good role model or some shit as americans?

grow the fuck up and vote for the person who is going to do a better fucking job. everything else is irrelevant

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by reprise85

The one argument against the putting the money in the bank think is that, arguable, he's done more good with it by giving people jobs to build his stuff. That's the one thing I can come up with that might make it ok?

Clinton might be personally corrupt but she's not going to destroy the country or incite the people to tear it apart from the inside. She's going to support progressive policies and at least try to not be racist and discriminatory. This is much more important than whether or not she is personally corrupt, Fuzzy. How can you just ignore all of the bullshit Trump has promised? The Wall, Muslim registry (wtf?????), bombing civilians on purpose, praising dictators, etc etc etc. It just is unfathomable how you can ignore all of it. But then I know your response "Trump's only saying this stuff to get elected! He has to dumb himself down for everyone. The country is in debt, only a businessman can get it straightened out. Hillary is corrupt!!!!!!"

i find it difficult to support a narrative that Clinton is "personally corrupt." first because there is little factual evidence to support it. and second because it confuses compromise with corruption. there is nothing in Clinton's career that makes her polticially any more or less corrupt as FDR, Barak Obama or Bernie Sanders.

What i see people of different polticial leanings doing is confusing compromise with corruption. Politics without compromise is extremism. And nothing good comes of it. I've heard Sanders supporters argue for instance that she's corrupt because of specific votes she took in the Senate, votes that matched Sanders's record. On the Right it simply boarders on absurdism, with the Behngazi being the most recent example.

[redbreegull]

clinton is a liar, and she lies about totally stupid, trivial shit, which is confusing, because like why.... but as a personal condemnation that's about all I have

Her policies and her politicking aren't any more "corrupt" than any other Democrat and CERTAINLY not more so than the GOP. I gotta love the people who love Obama but hate Clinton. I mean that is some serious cognitive dissonance.

[redbreegull]

so Trump got an average convention bounce for a modern election, about 3-5 points. if Clinton gets the same this coming week, probably not much has changed. but if she gets no bump, or a large one (say 7-10 points), that could be a good indication of what is going to happen over the next 100 days

[reprise85]

good points, gentlemen

this political season has been so fucking long and crazy, it's hard to believe it'll be over soonish

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

clinton is a liar, and she lies about totally stupid, trivial shit, which is confusing, because like why.... but as a personal condemnation that's about all I have

Her policies and her politicking aren't any more "corrupt" than any other Democrat and CERTAINLY not more so than the GOP. I gotta love the people who love Obama but hate Clinton. I mean that is some serious cognitive dissonance.

Fair argument, and I can't really refute it other than her lies make me question her character, which in turn makes me question her qualifications to be President. But, like I said, I can't disagree with anything you said.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

so Trump got an average convention bounce for a modern election, about 3-5 points. if Clinton gets the same this coming week, probably not much has changed. but if she gets no bump, or a large one (say 7-10 points), that could be a good indication of what is going to happen over the next 100 days

I predict that in November you'll see Clinton win with about 50% of the popular vote. Trump will get something in the low 40s. Stein will get 1%. Johnson will get the remainder. More than 5% and less than 10%.

a lot of fiscal conservatives and hawks will vote for Johnson out of disgust for Trump.

The truth is that the country is split ideologically. Conservatives will vote for virtually anybody who runs for the Republican party. Trump is guaranteed at lest 40% of the vote, not matter how terrible he is. Because his followers are so ideologically blind.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by buzzard

He was essentially chauffeured through his early working years and financially backed by an incredibly wealthy father before ultimately inheriting vast sums of money upon his death. Being born into virtually unparalleled privilege, not to mention startup capital to the tune of up to hundreds of millions of dollars, is hardly the story of a self-made man.

Then there's the fact that, if Trump had placed his wealth of over thirty years ago into an unmanaged stock index fund, he would be worth more today. This is something I had previously attempted to explain to you and essentially means that actively managing his own money has effectively been to his detriment.

Do these simple facts not conflict with the view you have of him?

Fuzzy got stuck at the fourth word of your post, furrowing his brow in a vain effort to sound it out as the syllables "chaw-fur-red" stumbled from his lips. Then he got bored and opened is tab of Jason Bourne showtimes.

Originally Posted by vixnix

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and...uch.touch.html

Has this been mentioned in the thread?

Trumpets won't consider that this could be anything more than a smear campaign by an opportunist.

Originally Posted by ninsp

Exactly. Trump is no worse than any other GOP.

It's hard to sniff different varieties of shit and adjudicate which is the worst, but I think a Trump presidency would at least be better than a Cruz, Huckabee, or Carson presidency.

Then again, not even Cruz would try to ban and register Muslims, so maybe Trump is worse.

Bah I can't decide, let me take another whiff of that shit to make up my mind.

Originally Posted by redbreegull

are people in other countries as obsessed with voting on personality and whether a candidate is like a good role model or some shit as americans?

Take a look at those "Nice Hair, Though" Canadian campaign adverts.

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

On the Right it simply boarders on absurdism, with the Behngazi being the most recent example.

SHE LET OUR BOYS DIE
SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT AMERICAN LIVES

btw how dare Obama bring troops home instead of letting them die in that unwinnable war I support forever

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Her policies and her politicking aren't any more "corrupt" than any other Democrat and CERTAINLY not more so than the GOP.

I like how people are so shocked about the political tit-for-tat the Democratic Party engages in with corporate donors as if it wasn't known to everybody that both parties do this.

Not mitigating how awful it is or letting them off the hook, but Republicans acting outraged that Dems to this is funny.

Originally Posted by redbreegull

so Trump got an average convention bounce for a modern election, about 3-5 points. if Clinton gets the same this coming week, probably not much has changed. but if she gets no bump, or a large one (say 7-10 points), that could be a good indication of what is going to happen over the next 100 days

I think I heard the pollsters say that polls three weeks out from now will be pretty predictive of the election results.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

I predict that in November you'll see Clinton win with about 50% of the popular vote. Trump will get something in the low 40s. Stein will get 1%. Johnson will get the remainder. More than 5% and less than 10%.

a lot of fiscal conservatives and hawks will vote for Johnson out of disgust for Trump.

The truth is that the country is split ideologically. Conservatives will vote for virtually anybody who runs for the Republican party. Trump is guaranteed at lest 40% of the vote, not matter how terrible he is. Because his followers are so ideologically blind.

The DNC just openly stole the primary and they're gonna try to do the same in the general. They treated Bernie supporters like lepers; had to pay people to become seat fillers; drowned out the anti-Hillary crowd at the convention with white noise; arrested a few Berners to keep them from mucking things up any further...etc.

And you have the gall to call a Trump supporter blind?

All polls are suspect because of the PROVEN collusion between the DNC and major media outlets -- same ones that run many of the polls.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by vixnix

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and...uch.touch.html

Has this been mentioned in the thread?

You've hit on the one of the few issues that would make me balk at considering voting for Trump. I've researched some allegations against him in this realm, will have to check this one later.


The reason it hasn't been brought up is because the elites, including the Bush's and Clinton's, are alleged pedo participants of which there is A LOT of evidence to back up these assertions. Billy-boy was on the "Lolita" express over 2 dozen times to Jeffrey Epstein's Island. Epstein spent a year under house arrest for child-sex trafficking.

[fuzzyroes]

Anhony Keidis on presidential candidates: "[Donald Trump] is not a likable person. He's a cartoon of a person. He says very unrealistic things about Muslims and race in general that make no sense at all. Because people are just people, y'know? Good and bad in all race and all religion. But sadly the real conundrum is that Hillary [Clinton] is not any better. She is just as much of a tyrant."

I feel like he's being a little harsh on Trump, but it's nice to see a mainstream rock-star come out who's not all about the delusional fawning over Clinton.

[Elphenor]

R u serious

@fuzzy

There are few musicians that should be taken less seriously than frontman of RHCP

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Anhony Keidis on presidential candidates: "[Donald Trump] is not a likable person. He's a cartoon of a person. He says very unrealistic things about Muslims and race in general that make no sense at all. Because people are just people, y'know? Good and bad in all race and all religion. But sadly the real conundrum is that Hillary [Clinton] is not any better. She is just as much of a tyrant."

I feel like he's being a little harsh on Trump, but it's nice to see a mainstream rock-star come out who's not all about the delusional fawning over Clinton.

I'd still like to hear Dave Grohl's opinion before I make up my mind.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

You've hit on the one of the few issues that would make me balk at considering voting for Trump.

wow

you'd excuse everything else short of genocide