2016 Presidential General Election Thread

[Disco King]

And Walla! A dread wringer for an Americanized poll!

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by JESUSNEEDSAHIT

but the parties are private entities in the us. they are not accountable to the people, they are private clubs. it's not rigged for a club to be self biased, thats why it is a club

exactly

[Elphenor]

It's fair to say "hey maybe it shouldn't be like this" but I bet if Hillary had been arrested all the BernieBros would have loved it when the DNC nominated Bernie despite him losing the vote

Bernie knew he couldn't win the popular vote but tried to sway the super delegates something to keep in mind

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Of course Trump picking a lackey like Pence doesn't do anything to qualm my nerves but at least he winning would be a huge cog in the spokes of their bullshit.

fucking lol

qualm my nerves
a huge cog in the spokes of their bullshit
bahahahahahaha

fucking retard

[Disco King]

AND WALLAH

[Cool As Ice Cream]

lololo

[Cool As Ice Cream]

"hey guy from alternativenation your website it shit please hire me as a writer for your website for free i know a lot of unknown stories that i have read about in biographies no sweat and qualm your nerves i can be a huge cog in the spokes of your bullshit"

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Well if Trump wins we can always look on the bright side and be glad that Ted Cruz didn't

lol true true

[redbreegull]

538 – Significant Digits

90 percent

Based on a study by the Pew Research Center, 90 percent of Sen. Bernie Sanders’s supporters in April of 2016 now support Hillary Clinton for the presidency. [Pew Research Center]

[Disco King]

Did the poll include third-party candidates? It seems that the support for Clinton amongst Sanders supporters goes up in polls that do not include third-party candidates.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ders-holdouts/

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by Disco King

How do you know that Trump really believes in gay marriage and reproductive rights, and is just "toning it down" for the "dumb masses?" How do you know that Clinton doesn't really believe in gay marriage?

Second of all, assuming they are both lying about their positions, how could one instance of this be ethically better than the other?

Third of all, suppose Clinton is lying about being for gay marriage. What are the chances she would attempt to legislate that when she can't even because the Supreme Court ruled laws against it unconstitutional?

Fourth of all, what sort of political boon would Trump get for pretending to be against gay marriage when most Americans support gay marriage?

Your thinking holds no water, which is ironic, as it seems your skull is full of nothing but water.




Reminder that when asked to compare world opinion on Clinton with world opinion on Trump, you responded with this:



Keep in mind that RBG didn't link a particular poll for you to look at, he told you to find one yourself. You refused to do so, because you know that any poll would contradict your assertion.

The rationalization about the polls being "Americanized" made no sense for two reasons. First of all, you failed to explain why the nationality of the pollsters would affect the results. Instead of critiquing methodology, you attempted to dismiss any poll of American origin. Second of all, RBG provided no poll, let alone an American poll, so the comment about "Americanized" polls was a non-sequitur.

Dismissing any evidence before it is even presented for irrelevant reasons is the informal fallacy of poisoning the well.



Do you know what a margin of error is? For any given candidate, there is a four per cent margin of error. That means that in a match-up between any two candidates, there is an eight per cent margin of error.

That means that, if Clinton is leading Trump by three points, some polls will show her leading him by eleven points, while other polls will show Trump leading Clinton by five points.

Last I checked, polls that dial landlines as well as mobile phones, as opposed to just mobile phones, are more likely to show Clinton leading. Polls of likely voters are usually more valid than polls of registered voters or polls of all adults. Polls of likely voters also tend to have a slight bias in favour of Republicans. However, in this election, Clinton is actually doing slightly better in the likely-voters polls than the others.

There is also a post-convention bump in support. The Republicans are just coming off a convention. Of course, that bump is hard to disentangle, because the Democratic Convention is coming in hot off the heels of the Republican one.

In other words, don't just cherry pick polls that flatter your expectations, look at trends.

He's probably going to start thinking about green day or hot dogs or some shit a quarter of the way through this post and then chug a beer and never respond.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Well if Trump wins we can always look on the bright side and be glad that Ted Cruz didn't

Then again, there are already reports that when Trump tried to court Kasich as his Veep, Trump Jr. told Kasich that Kasich would be in charge of a lot of domestic and foreign policy, and Trump's job would be to simply "make America great again."

So if Trump is still planning on letting the VP call the shots, there will pretty much be a president Cruz in Pence. They keep portraying him as some "steady-hand moderate conservative," but he's an extremist Christrian-Right fundie darling, just like Cruz. In fact, some nutjobs are already thinking that his selection as Trump's running mate indicates that Trump has been "chosen by god" to win the election.

Trump isn't seen as terribly religious or pious, but the thing about the Christian Right is that they don't necessarily think that the people they support are "godly," only that god is working through them, and that sometimes god picks flawed sinners to be his vehicles.

[Elphenor]

John Oliver's take on the RNC was perfect

Completely nails how Republicans are entirely feeling based regardless of facts

[MyOneAndOnly]

I got a little verklempt there at the end of roll-call when Bernie took the mic

America is great! Love it or leave it!

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Nevertheless, the thought was originally if the FBI came down with indictments and the polls were tilted to Trump by say 6 points or so, that would provide the impetus for party apparachants to replace Hillary. That scenario looked dead a week ago.

Approchants?

[vixnix]

I didn't care about Obama, and tbh I still think that he and his party are like this:

Originally Posted by Starla

But he and Michelle gave up a lot of good camera time. I enjoyed watching them both. Obama was on Between Two Ferns, for crying out loud. And Jerry Seinfeld's car thing. Brilliant.

Hillary better get somethin' ready for the people, to redeem herself.

[MyOneAndOnly]

nice trollin' vix

[buzzard]

You would think that studying creative writing at a tertiary level would help with the trolling, but I guess it probably is open entry.

[vixnix]

I am completely serious. If everything the dems do publicly is just for show, at least make it a good show, you know? The world is watching. And man, the Obamas are a hard act to follow.

It's not completely open entry, but you're right, it must have been close, for me to get in. My grades weren't too bad, though, last semester. Two DIs (distinction, 75+) and an HD (high distinction, 85+). My grade average was 82.5 ... so close to an HD average. Hopefully I can bring it up, but I'm taking advanced screenwriting this semester and he marks hard. My final projects for each paper were given 88, 85, and 80...and he gave me an 80.

Still, the screenplay I handed in, I wrote in six days, after abandoning the one I'd been working on all semester, because I couldn't wrangle it into the narrative/character development framework he taught us to use. My final script was called The Slum Girl and was about child trafficking. A bit depressing

[redbreegull]

the parties are the same blah blah

unless you believe women should control their own bodies or that minorities aren't animals or whatever, but otherwise they're the fucking same

[fuzzyroes]

The abortion debate is such a measly distraction issue. I mean, yeah it's super important to a very small percentage of society, but it's such a small issue in the thick of things.

[fuzzyroes]

If you care about bathroom laws and abortion rights then Clintons your woman... But if you actually care about the economy turning around and reversing the astronomical debt that the countrys in then Trumps your guy.

[redbreegull]

a small percentage of society huh

[fuzzyroes]

Anyone actually watching the shit-show Democratic convention? They have that washed up singer Alicia Keys singing a song called "super-woman" right before Clinton takes the stage LMAO. The absurdity of it all is hilarious.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

a small percentage of society huh

yeah, who does it affect mostly? Woman 13-22?

I'm not saying it isn't important cause I think it is, but let's be honest, it's pretty far down the scale of what needs to be fixed in America right now.

[redbreegull]

the debt in this country exists because of starve the beast tax cuts. so to fix it, you are going to cut taxes again. oh and also spend billions on a wall to keep out people who are invaluable to our economy

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

yeah, who does it affect mostly? Woman 13-22?

I'm not saying it isn't important cause I think it is, but let's be honest, it's pretty far down the scale of what needs to be fixed in America right now.

you are awful

[fuzzyroes]

In the very grand scheme of things, It's a small-button issue. I can see you feel very passionately about it and I think it should be legal... but lets not act like it should be the be all end all factor when deciding who to vote for.

[vixnix]

I dunno, the number of abortions performed in the U.S. under previous Republican presidents didn't seem to change much, from year to year:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborti..._United_States

Or is it more about supreme court judges, this time? Because even if Trump elects another conservative, Kennedy only supports abortion restrictions, as opposed to overturning Roe v Wade...?

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Disco King

How do you know that Trump really believes in gay marriage and reproductive rights, and is just "toning it down" for the "dumb masses?" How do you know that Clinton doesn't really believe in gay marriage?

Second of all, assuming they are both lying about their positions, how could one instance of this be ethically better than the other?

I'm basing it off of what each candidate is on record as stating before they ran for president. Trumps on record for being pro-abortion consistently for many, many years... But unfortunately his view on that isn't in line with the majority of Americans in his party so for the time being he's dumbing himself down so as to make it not an issue as theres much more important things that he's going to change.

If you don't understand why it's better to portray a dumb stance for the sake of the people during election time as opposed to being on the record for years and years in support of really awful ideas and then trying to "smarten up" then I don't know how to help you.