Obama nostalgia thread

[Elphenor]

The downfall of the GOP is the grave it dug itself running a strategy of racism and traditionalism

Minority voters reached a significant enough number and the culture war was inevitably lost

8 years of a black president has made the GOP insane

[The Omega Concern]

Rasmussen has Trump 2% over Hillary today. Basically a dead heat, but what's interesting is they show he's doing twice as well among democrats as Hillary is doing among republicans.



Oh yea...and the DOJ admitted today that their investigation of her is a "law enforcement matter", not just a security review.


Obama? He hasn't even bothered to call Putin about those 4 fly-by's the last two weeks. Straight Neo-Con in liberal Nobel peace prize clothing.

[Elphenor]

You're gonna see that change when the Democratic campaign machine puts its full weight on him

[The Omega Concern]

And you expect Trump to just stand there and not respond in kind?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

trump will make russia great again

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

isnt rasmussen notoriously bad? like how do you not fucking know that? everyone in the world is ignorant, but americans have a unique way of choosing to be ignorant

[The Omega Concern]

Squaring the polls with other numbers can give indications. Raw numbers has Hillary with less votes than she pulled in '08 and Trump pulling in numbers not seen since Reagan. Trump v Clinton polls will swing in the days ahead and the Neo-Con machine supporting Hillary and scared of Trump will try to throw the vote her way. They already tried in the primaries but they can't fudge landslides into plausible victories.

Neo-Cons wanted Jeb. Now they got Hillary. Will they stick with her is the question.

[Elphenor]

lol wut

Trump has no real platform. He says some absolutely horrifyingly hawkish stuff one day and then the next says something about isolationism

This is like when you said he was for higher taxes on the rich because of the plan that he proposed that both raised taxes and cut taxes on the rich at the exact time

He has no actual policy positions stop trying to see your libertarian utopia in him

[Elphenor]

What Hillary has not supported is going after the wives and children of our enemies

She has not advocated for bringing back and doubling down on torture

The rest of the developed world is terrified of a Trump presidency

[Elphenor]

As long as you're the first to get nuked

But you wouldn't be, so easy to say "fuck it Trump" when your in a position where it ultimately won't affect you either way

[Elphenor]

The realistic threat of Trump is an amplification of American committed atrocities not anything that would kill non-enlisted Americans

[redbreegull]

most polls have Clinton walloping Trump by double digits. but you know, go ahead and look for the single one that confirms what you want to believe. you're all so smart

[redbreegull]

because if 10 polls say one thing and the 11th says another, the first 10 are more likely to be correct than the outlier

you really don't understand science do you

[redbreegull]

[reprise85]

here's 8 in the past 2 weeks

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...ump-vs-clinton

and 2% is almost certainly not statistically significant. also the one with clinton at +3% is also not likely statistically significant

here's a big list:
CNN/ORC 54-41 3.5% margin of error
IBD/TIPP ~48-40, 3.3% margin of error (from April 29)
Ipsos/Reuters 45-36 3.1% margin of error
Morning Consult 43-37 2% margin of error
NBC News/Surveymonkey 54-41 3% margin of error
Suffolk University/USA TODAY 50-39 no margin of error given (from April 25)
NBC News/WSJ/Marist Poll 54-39 raw numbers/no margin of error given ("April 2016")
YouGov/Economist 43-40 2.8% margin of error
HuffPost aggregate 46.8 - 40.1
ClearView Research 49-36 (5% margin of error)
RCP aggregate 47.3-40.8 (no margin of error, aggregate of polls)
Star Tribune Minnesota Poll 48-35 (3.5 margin of error)
ABC7-Southern California News Group 56-34 (no margin of error given)

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Poots

please link 10 polls released this week that has Hillary over Trump

seriously why do you do this? if you need someone to link you to basic polling data being reported on daily by the mainstream media you are either just being a contrarian dick or you are not following the election

[redbreegull]

I cite more sources than literally anyone else on this board. you are a mentally unhinged liar

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Poots

that's only 8, two more please. and local polls done by Joe Bob at Channel 2 news do not count

Look, you're being nitpicky. The fact is the vast majority of polls favor Clinton. Maybe RBG exaggerated a little about how many major polls there are, but the fact remains. So the major polls are 8-1 Clinton. Does that really change the spirit of what RBG said?

[reprise85]

7 out of the first 8 i listed are national and well known, and the two aggregates do have some small polls in the aggregate but small polls from many different states.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by reprise85

here's 8 in the past 2 weeks

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...ump-vs-clinton

and 2% is almost certainly not statistically significant. also the one with clinton at +3% is also not likely statistically significant

here's a big list:
CNN/ORC 54-41 3.5% margin of error
IBD/TIPP ~48-40, 3.3% margin of error (from April 29)
Ipsos/Reuters 45-36 3.1% margin of error
Morning Consult 43-37 2% margin of error
NBC News/Surveymonkey 54-41 3% margin of error
Suffolk University/USA TODAY 50-39 no margin of error given (from April 25)
NBC News/WSJ/Marist Poll 54-39 raw numbers/no margin of error given ("April 2016")
YouGov/Economist 43-40 2.8% margin of error
HuffPost aggregate 46.8 - 40.1
ClearView Research 49-36 (5% margin of error)
RCP aggregate 47.3-40.8 (no margin of error, aggregate of polls)
Star Tribune Minnesota Poll 48-35 (3.5 margin of error)
ABC7-Southern California News Group 56-34 (no margin of error given)

If this comes to down Trump v Hillary those polls will tighten as they always do because that's part of the game plan. Since Reagan's landslide in '84 and now that electronic rigging allows easier manipulation of the numbers, the minority is never small enough to not have a loud voice within their party in the body politic and of course D.C. It keeps the two-party sham on auto-pilot essentially.


Trump and Sanders ostensibly reflect the frustration of this very aspect of D.C. politics.


Trump alters the old political calculus. The polls and pol experts didn't have Trump sniffing the nomination six-months ago. I wouldn't put too much stock in them right now six months out from the general.

[redbreegull]

I think it's pretty obvious that my statement was analogical and not literal. The truth is that a far greater margin of polls than 10:1 favor Clinton in the general

[redbreegull]

I think you literally didn't understand what I wrote

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

most polls have Clinton walloping Trump by double digits. but you know, go ahead and look for the single one that confirms what you want to believe. you're all so smart

I told you the polls would tighten and I mentioned why.


Dead heat: Trump, Clinton tied in 3 swing-state polls


If Hillary is sliding in the polls behind the Donald come convention time, and with the specter of an FBI indictment looming in the air, don't be surprised they pass her up for Biden, as I understand it per the DC sources the Young Turks claim. That would surely piss off the Berners out there and that clusterfuck everybody assume would be the Republican convention will coincide the Dems implosion as well.


I can't deny I love how Trump is dismantling the Republican party as we speak. Both parties need an enema so here's hoping one for the D's as well.

[redbreegull]

[fuzzyroes]

I love how Obama just doesn't give a fuck during his last year. He's seemingly a lot more comfortable just letting loose and being himself.

I also like how he's on record as stating that Hillary Clinton as president wouldn't be much different at all from Bush/Cheney... Of course he'll try to sweep that talk under the rug now though.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I love how Obama just doesn't give a fuck during his last year. He's seemingly a lot more comfortable just letting loose and being himself.

I also like how he's on record as stating that Hillary Clinton as president wouldn't be much different at all from Bush/Cheney... Of course he'll try to sweep that talk under the rug now though.

source please

[redbreegull]

lolol 2007? yeah forget that they worked together and bombed libya together, this was definitely an honest statement and not one of political level pulling

[redbreegull]

congrats on citing a verifiable fact though, I know this is a big step for you. You'll be ready for 11th grade any time now

[redbreegull]

I think there is an interesting parallel between Obama's rhetoric in 07/08 and Sanders' rhetoric now. Read: anyone who thinks Sanders would not also capitulate and act like a neoliberal statist once getting to office is real naive.

[redbreegull]

you would be a more effective troll if you understood when to hold back