Richard Dawkins

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

so as a spectator of the NFL, you'd like to continue being a part of that culture so that you could help change it? sort of like.....say.....the second vatican council?

No, there is no way to change it. This is a mistake I'm working to correct.

Also what a weird fucking comparison.

[duovamp]

>>implying you have to adopt every single last line of any religion's beliefs otherwise you can't consider yourself a member

There must never be any disagreement during Bible studies either.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

man why didn't i just start off with the football analogy.

Because it's a terrible analogy? Jesus you aren't good at these.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

I get that much, but I'm wondering if I'm remembering wrong, or didn't you go to a catholic uni? I mean how did that work then?

oh sorry, I only now saw your reply, you covered that already.

I was also still closeted and couldn't come up with a reason not to go

So

[Sonic Johnny]

If someone goes about their day, practices their faith in privacy and doesn't demand you change your way of life or try to have you persecuted or have your rights reduced for being gay, then what the fuck does it matter to you?

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

If someone goes about their day, practices their faith in privacy and doesn't demand you change your way of life or try to have you persecuted or have your rights reduced for being gay, then what the fuck does it matter to you?

Well it's factually wrong and ignorant of science. And people vote.

[Eulogy]

You're all awful and inconsiderate. Sticking up for the little guy. The American christian. Because richard Dawkins can be a dick.

You win.

[Sonic Johnny]

Im not sticking up for Christians, I'm sticking up for freedom of religion.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Im not sticking up for Christians, I'm sticking up for freedom of religion.

Why?

[Sonic Johnny]

Same as I stick up for freedom of sexuality.

[duovamp]

Is there no end to the freedoms you support?

[duovamp]

Freedom from religion, namely.

[Bread Regal]

who's sticking up for christians? the last page is people sticking up for people who might be hesitant to leave their religion because it is also intertwined with their culture.

which is why the football analogy is apt. APT I TELL YOU.

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Why?

Cause I think it's important. I think spirituality and faith plays a huge role in the lives of millions of people. I don't think freedom of religion should extend to oppressing others and using your faith to have the law be your way, but I do believe people should have the right to believe what they want so long as it isn't hurting others.

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Cause I think it's important. I think spirituality and faith plays a huge role in the lives of millions of people. I don't think freedom of religion should extend to oppressing others and using your faith to have the law be your way, but I do believe people should have the right to believe what they want so long as it isn't hurting others.

GUYS I SPOTTED TEH ESTABLISHMENT SCUMBAG

[Trotskilicious]

the notre dame thing is directly related to what i said abt culture. for you its an integral part of who you are, like all the brown catholics you never have more to say to other than a food order. catholicism is part of their identity for better or worse and with catholics its primarily a family value so to ask someone to renounce all of that is a really myopic and self righteous point of view especially considerimg how youre playing the you guys dont understand card

[Sonic Johnny]

And I reject entirely the idea that you can't tolerate homosexuality and be a real catholic, same as I reject the idea that you can't be a real Muslim unless you support the indoctrination of sharia law.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Im not sticking up for Christians, I'm sticking up for freedom of religion.

But not the freedom to criticize it?

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Cause I think it's important. I think spirituality and faith plays a huge role in the lives of millions of people. I don't think freedom of religion should extend to oppressing others and using your faith to have the law be your way, but I do believe people should have the right to believe what they want so long as it isn't hurting others.

Oh okay so having utterly insane beliefs about an afterlife and magical Sky Bro who hands out rewards and punishments and had a son put in a virgin etc is a fine way to live your life so long as you don't actually operate with any of this nonsense in mind. That'll surely work.

[Sonic Johnny]

I want homophobia stamped out of religion. Not religion stamped out of civilisation. And I think that's doable and reasonable without having to tell people that their faith is wrong because science.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

And I reject entirely the idea that you can't tolerate homosexuality and be a real catholic, same as I reject the idea that you can't be a real Muslim unless you support the indoctrination of sharia law.

Martin Luther already took care of this

[duovamp]

I mean Christians have been using the Bible to oppress just about every non-white non-male for centuries... but sooner or later they'll start using it to be nice to everyone. Let's just back off and let them get it right.

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Oh okay so having utterly insane beliefs about an afterlife and magical Sky Bro who hands out rewards and punishments and had a son put in a virgin etc is a fine way to live your life so long as you don't actually operate with any of this nonsense in mind. That'll surely work.

People can believe that all they want, so long as it doesn't harm others.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

I want homophobia stamped out of religion.

This doesn't sound very free at all. I want the freedom to hate certain people.

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by duovamp

I mean Christians have been using the Bible to oppress just about every non-white non-male for centuries... but sooner or later they'll start using it to be nice to everyone. Let's just back off and let them get it right.

See my earlier post re: slavery in leviticus

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

People can believe that all they want, so long as it doesn't harm others.

Read: As long as it doesn't do that thing that it's done since the existence of Christianity.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

I want homophobia stamped out of religion. Not religion stamped out of civilisation. And I think that's doable and reasonable without having to tell people that their faith is wrong because science.

It takes just as more faith to believe in science than religion these days because truth.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Because it's a terrible analogy? Jesus you aren't good at these.

i fucking nailed it, really. you could easily give up notre dame football and sunday afternoon nfl without facing the kind of reckoning a religious person would for giving up their family and their culture so they can, in your words, avoid offending you


you really are one of the whitest, most privledged and cultrally fucking clueless of white guys. if you werent gay youd vote republican.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

See my earlier post re: slavery in leviticus

It took people KILLING them for them to stop believing in it. The Civil War was waged to keep the freedom of this belief thoroughly in check.

[duovamp]

But hey you're right they dropped it after a few hundred thousand deaths, no reason to go overboard and "criticize" them.