Richard Dawkins

[Sonic Johnny]

What's the difference though between a catholic who accepts your lifestyle and wants you to be able to have all the rights as anyone else and an episcopalian though?

[Eulogy]

I should add that this needless placating doesn't help. I do it too though to a lesser extent so I understand.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

What's the difference though between a catholic who accepts your lifestyle and wants you to be able to have all the rights as anyone else and an episcopalian though?

One is a catholic.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Bahnzah I remember you linking a great article on FB a while back talking about how New Atheism reinforces patriarchy. Wish I could find it.

Everything supports the patriarchy tbh.

[Eulogy]

This great new pope just said Ireland's vote was a sign of humanity's doom or some shit

But hey old people

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Again

Do you realize why that's easy to say for you

And do I need to say a third time

If everyone were episcopalian I would shut up

do you know how easy it is for you to ask someone to give up their religion/their culture?

why do you keep bringing up a denomination that surely has homophobes in it? are you incapable of thinking of people as individuals with cultural obligations and beliefs?

hold the church responsible, not its faithful

but whatever, im talking to you after all

[Trotskilicious]

all you ever do is make labels you apply to huge groups of people so you can hate them

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

One is a catholic.

So if hypothetically 99.98% of Catholics were okay with homosexuality then Catholicism wouldn't be a problem, yeah?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

do you know how easy it is for you to ask someone to give up their religion/their culture?

why do you keep bringing up a denomination that surely has homophobes in it? are you incapable of thinking of people as individuals with cultural obligations and beliefs?

hold the church responsible, not its faithful

but whatever, im talking to you after all

People have a cultural obligation to belong to a church that holds detestable views?

I don't accept that. And I don't think its stupid or smug of me to take that stand.

[Eulogy]

It's so hard for people to let go of a religion that says I'm going to hell

Oh I feel so sorry for them.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

So if hypothetically 99.98% of Catholics were okay with homosexuality then Catholicism wouldn't be a problem, yeah?

Not if they remain catholic and the doctrine doesn't change, no.

[Bread Regal]

i think what trots mean by cultural obligations is that the net effect on oneself for defecting is a negative one.

could be wrong.

[Trotskilicious]

you cant even stop watching the nfl and you want someone to quit their faith to placate you

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Not if they remain catholic and the doctrine doesn't change, no.

But the doctrine also says

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


And that really fails to translate into the actions of the catholic majority, hmmm?

[duovamp]

People rationalize away the belief in gods all the time, so it's not a pointless endeavor...

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

But the doctrine also says

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


And that really fails to translate into the actions of the catholic majority, hmmm?

Catholic doctrine and Leviticus are not equivalent. Try again.

[Sonic Johnny]

It's like, you wouldn't be happy in a world with religious people, even if every single one of them ignored the bit that says all gays are going to hell? How would that affect you exactly!

[Sonic Johnny]

It's almost like you're worried about going to hell

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you cant even stop watching the nfl and you want someone to quit their faith to placate you

I don't want them to quit their faith. I want them to subscribe to one that aligns with their beliefs.

[Sonic Johnny]

You just want people to stop persecuting you for the things you in your own life in your own home, that never has any impact on anyone else, right!

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

It's like, you wouldn't be happy in a world with religious people, even if every single one of them ignored the bit that says all gays are going to hell? How would that affect you exactly!

I don't think you're reading anything I'm saying

There are plenty of christian sects I have zero problems with. They are not hard to find.

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you cant even stop watching the nfl and you want someone to quit their faith to placate you

the star quarterback at my high school was in one of my summer school classes. he was 18 so he was able to get a tattoo that was a cross, with a football over it, and a banner reading "football is my religion".

seems like he'd be good bedfellows with eulogy here.

[Trotskilicious]

oh geez forgot to note that eulogy enthusiastically supports a catholic school

so shut the fuck up already you goddamn clown

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

the star quarterback at my high school was in one of my summer school classes. he was 18 so he was able to get a tattoo that was a cross, with a football over it, and a banner reading "football is my religion".

seems like he'd be good bedfellows with eulogy here.

Oh, fuck off.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

a banner reading "football is my religion".

I'd take it.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

oh geez forgot to note that eulogy enthusiastically supports a catholic school

so shut the fuck up already you goddamn clown

I was and remain enthusiastically critical of this institution

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

I don't want them to quit their faith. I want them to subscribe to one that aligns with their beliefs.

so as a spectator of the NFL, you'd like to continue being a part of that culture so that you could help change it? sort of like.....say.....the second vatican council?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

oh geez forgot to note that eulogy enthusiastically supports a catholic school

so shut the fuck up already you goddamn clown

And again you cannot have it both ways you goddamn clown

[Bread Regal]

man why didn't i just start off with the football analogy.

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

I don't want them to quit their faith. I want them to subscribe to one that aligns with their beliefs.

I get that much, but I'm wondering if I'm remembering wrong, or didn't you go to a catholic uni? I mean how did that work then?

oh sorry, I only now saw your reply, you covered that already.