Richard Dawkins

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

Because libertarianism is literally evil.

especially if youre using dungeons and dragons morality

libertarianism is neutral evil

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

Just as there are bankers who don't prey on poor black people by approving them for NINA mortgages, just as there are scientists who discovered penicillin instead of building the atom bomb, just as there are politicians who legitimately advocate for the disadvantaged, there are clergymen who do not abuse their influential role and actually use it help people. That's enough for me to see that the problem is with the ethically compromised and not the existence of religion itself.

One of Hitchens' oft-repeated quotes: “In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion”. That is 100% horseshit.

capitalism and/or nationalism does that trick in the modern age

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"progressive" liberals being coondescending abt religion and being smug about how smart they are is primarily why a significantly large portion of the economically disadvantaged reliably vote for a party actively working against them. labour in the uk seems to have finally put 2 and 2 together and finding that their wine and chrese socialism isnt appealing to working britain. tge left here claps each other on the back and congratulates each other for being so very smart in a world full of stupid

new athiests are reliably stereotypical smug ivory tower bourgoise toads that say they care about the proletarian but, in fact, wish to dominate them for being "stupid"

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marx did indeed say religion is the opiate of the masses, but i disagree especially in this modern life where the opiate is unmistakably the entertainment industry

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Originally Posted by Bread Regal

A lot of capitalists i've met cling to their ideology with more religious conviction than most christians theirs.

Pretty sure Omega Concern is irreligious, but that guy's full of poison ideas.

hes not, satan is the ultimate mastermind of all the conspiracies

[Sonic Johnny]

Yeh that confuses me abou Atheists. Like, sure I understand rejecting creationism, but denying Satan? How do you explain Sabbath? No mortal could have penned the riff from Into The Void.

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Originally Posted by killtrocity

TO SEE THIS RELATIONSHIP IN MORE HUMANIZED TERMS PLEASE SEE THE HBO TELEVISION PROGRAM "THE WIRE".

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excellent posts from jhon bosnor ad mr julio

julio how come youre bohth awesome and awful at the same time

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

"progressive" liberals being coondescending abt religion and being smug about how smart they are is primarily why a significantly large portion of the economically disadvantaged reliably vote for a party actively working against them. labour in the uk seems to have finally put 2 and 2 together and finding that their wine and chrese socialism isnt appealing to working britain. tge left here claps each other on the back and congratulates each other for being so very smart in a world full of stupid

new athiests are reliably stereotypical smug ivory tower bourgoise toads that say they care about the proletarian but, in fact, wish to dominate them for being "stupid"

so much truth

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sorry abt spelling, i am a bad phone typist

[MyOneAndOnly]

so people vote for politicians who ruin their lives and fuck them over because the politicians who best represent their views have some supporters who are smug.

[MyOneAndOnly]

that's just plain stupid

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

"progressive" liberals being coondescending abt religion and being smug about how smart they are is primarily why a significantly large portion of the economically disadvantaged reliably vote for a party actively working against them. labour in the uk seems to have finally put 2 and 2 together and finding that their wine and chrese socialism isnt appealing to working britain. tge left here claps each other on the back and congratulates each other for being so very smart in a world full of stupid

new athiests are reliably stereotypical smug ivory tower bourgoise toads that say they care about the proletarian but, in fact, wish to dominate them for being "stupid"

You're not entirely wrong here. But this is absolutely an oversimplification. I don't want to harp on shit like this but growing up seeing the shit I've seen on TV and in person did have a profound effect on me and to claim religion had/has nothing to do with it is very, very disingenuous. I don't think all religious people are bad or that all religious idea are bad

But

Try to put yourself in a position where everyone around you actively campaigns against your happiness because of who you've decided to spend your life with.

It's not smug to say that's a problem.

Just one man's opinion.

[Eulogy]

Like I do feel like it's easy for you and ****** to criticize religious critics because you are not targets. Being one might color your opinions slightly.

[Eulogy]

And I'll preemptively state I know my problems aren't the gravest. But it's not a competition and I'm not trying to make it one.

[Trotskilicious]

everyone?

[Sonic Johnny]

Euls you're absolutely right, but don't you think it's more realistic to sway people to let go of that bit of their religion that says the gays should be stoned to death (same as how we no longer stone women to death for adultery and how businesses are open on Sunday) in order to adhere to societies standards of conduct, than it is to attempt to abolish religion entirely? And that in the course of doing either of those things, the starting point certainly isn't to condescend to them with smug platitudes about the intellectual superiority of science?

This idea that religion forces people to be homophobic or anti-choice is absurd. I know plenty of LGBTQ friendly and even gay people who identify as Christians. The assumption that anyone who believes in God somehow automatically forfeits their own moral compass is insane.

Yes religious fundamentalism fuels intolerance. But it's significantly easier to erase those elements from society than it is to force people to stop believing in something. And let's not forget that for a lot of people religion is a convenient disguise for their homophobia.

[Sonic Johnny]

And all Dawkins and his lackeys do is leverage that schism in society to reinforce their fundamentalist imperialist dogma... Just like they criticise organised religion for doing.

[Eulogy]

Ugh more straw men

I already said that is everyone was episcopalian I wouldn't have any issues. Look at the percentage of nonreligious people who are anti-gay and get back to me.

[Trotskilicious]

the whole dawkins thing is scapegoating religion for evil and being smug about knowing better than all these stupid stupids. saying people with faith are inherently stupid is douchebag stuff. this is the issue here, dude

further holding religion responsible for people cherry picking a thousand year old collection of books that nobody really reads to justify their belief that homosexuality is icky and you should stop being gay is kinda letting these bigots off the hook.

its like saying public masturbation is cool because of this passage in ulysses...

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

And all Dawkins and his lackeys do is leverage that schism in society to reinforce their fundamentalist imperialist dogma... Just like they criticise organised religion for doing.

All I'm saying is that there's a gigantic middle ground and it's disappointing modern day liberals feel like they need to die on a fucking hill for American Christians, specicially. Those poor persecuted people.

[Trotskilicious]

we just want scotty to shut the fuck up

[Sonic Johnny]

My Nona is a lifelong Roman Catholic. Raise in hyper conservative rural Italy during Mussolini. She loves her two gay grandchildren and their partners and never for a second hesitated to accept them. So if she can do it, and still go to church every day and have a relationship with God that brings happiness into her life, why should you ask her to renounce that relationship just because other conservative raised Catholics can't get their shit together to be decent people?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

My Nona is a lifelong Roman Catholic. Raise in hyper conservative rural Italy during Mussolini. She loves her two gay grandchildren and their partners and never for a second hesitated to accept them. So if she can do it, and still go to church every day and have a relationship with God that brings happiness into her life, why should you ask her to renounce that relationship just because other conservative raised Catholics can't get their shit together to be decent people?

My grandmother does the same thing and I don't berate her about it but if she asked (and I don't volunteer this shit) I'd say it offended me that she supports a church whose official doctrine says I am going to hell if i don't repent.

I also have a catholic priest uncle. And I feel like he'd respect my opinion more than you people. Which is bizarre.

[Sonic Johnny]

It's just like, we successfully eliminated all kinds of social blights throughout history, many of which were propped up or entirely facilitated by one church or another, and we did it without prescribing to the imperialist dogma of a bunch of smug dick-waving scientist fuckboys. Can't we eliminate homophobia the same way?

[Sonic Johnny]

Bahnzah I remember you linking a great article on FB a while back talking about how New Atheism reinforces patriarchy. Wish I could find it.

[Trotskilicious]

dickwaving scientist fuccbois

[duovamp]

This thread is proof God is nothing more than an imaginary friend.

[Eulogy]

Again

Do you realize why that's easy to say for you

And do I need to say a third time

If everyone were episcopalian I would shut up

[Trotskilicious]

dawkins thinks if women didnt wan to be hit on, they should be so sexxxy