2016 Presidential Primary

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

It's a lesser of two evils thing

But even someone like Noam Chomsky a staunch supporter of the "Money rules all politics" world view will concede that there are vast differences between the two parties atm

take an issue like Climate Change

Just last year there were efforts from the UN to create an international reduction in Carbon emissions. It didn't happen because The Republicans don't accept climate change as a scientific fact

These are the types of decision that could literally cause the extinction of mankind

The core of the political parties are evil. They obfuscate the political ideologies into fodder for divide and conquer.


Climate Change is the biggest communist bullshit in human history. It's all to pay off sectors of lobbyist using the anthropogenic claim as a means to distract from the reality there's little to nothing humans can do to change the climate.

Climate Change zealots are brainwashed to believe in the Carbon dioxide myth of destruction. It's what human's exhale, but hey, its the poison of the planet. Nice satanic trick they got going there. Way to fall for it like a minion.

Scientist that want scientific credibility have denounced the anthropogenic claims. Scientist that want to continue to be shills for the establishment and get paid well for it, continue the lie that the "Science is in, Climate Change is caused by humans" bullshit for the criminals who pay them off through the grant process.

[killtrocity]

Ok Omega, these are for you:

Where do you suppose the carbon dioxide, methane, and chlorofluorocarbons produced in mass quantities go once released into the atmosphere? The average kinetic energy of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is not sufficient to overcome the earth's gravitational pull and escape into space at a sufficient rate to offset the rate at which it is produced.

Second question: at what wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum do the carbon-oxygen double bonds of carbon dioxide absorb light, and what happens to this energy once absorbed?

[duovamp]

You people arguing with such an obvious troll has totally ruined the level of discourse here.

[vixnix]

1st tier trolling

[Elphenor]

Because every once in awhile he says something almost reasonable and we forget

[Run To Me]

So guys did we decide who's gonna win yet??

[Elphenor]

I've got my money on the earlier mentioned redbreeguls nuts as a surprise contender here

[killtrocity]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ction=politics

Connecticut Senator Not Happy With Bernie Sanders’ View On Sandy Hook Lawsuit


Do any of you flaming libtards agree with this shit? What's next, suing KitchenAid for stabbing crimes? This is transparent DNC propaganda feebly intended to make HRC look better in comparison

[hnibos]

Judge just ruled in Porsches favor that they aren't responsible for Paul Walkers death because he's not an idiot.

[hnibos]

She's called young voters dumb and naive while complaining about Sanders tone and negativity. Hypocrite with no shame.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I've got my money on the earlier mentioned redbreeguls nuts as a surprise contender here

yeah, it's gonna be the first modern cross-party ticket

the right and the left

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Run To Me

So guys did we decide who's gonna win yet??

This has always been about Hillary and whether she gets anointed or not. I don't believe the results on either side this year. I'd guess Sanders and Trump are getting near 70% in their races, but the elite apparatus is doing just enough to rig the votes to load up delegates for Hillary and siphon them away from Trump and may it look legit with their mockingbirds in the press.


They may throw her under the bus yet. It might look like too much trouble if she gets in but the scrutiny on their partnered illegalities only increases with all of these 'leaks'. They passed her over once before so its not out of the question, but its also obvious she's been chosen or else she'd be in jail already.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by hnibos

She's called young voters dumb and naive while complaining about Sanders tone and negativity. Hypocrite with no shame.

She did not say "young voters are dumb."

[hnibos]

They don't their research. She insulted them.

[killtrocity]

"young people are uniformed and/or naive" is one of her four major platforms, along with "I'm the most experienced", "he' not even a Democrat", and "we must stop the evil Republicans"




riiiiiiight....

[iB0lly]

Originally Posted by Poots

How dare you.

Claiming that the two parties are essentially the same is akin to holocaust denial. They are completely different. As evidence, just read this thread.

If you were comparing Green vs Libertarian I would agree, but the Democrat and Republican parties have more in common than any other two parties in the country.

[FoolofaTook]

i think he's trollin'

or are you trollin' about him not trollin'?

or am i trollin' about you not trollin' about him trollin'?

[redbreegull]

yeah the parties are exactly the same

like except if you need an abortion or are dying and can't afford healthcare, or you are black and trying to vote

but yeah totally the same, indistinguishable

[FoolofaTook]

u trollin' bro

cos theirs this rage song where he's like vote for gore? or the son of a drug lord? FUCK IT CUT THE CORD! LIGHTS OUT! GORRILA RADIO!

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Poots

How dare you.

Claiming that the two parties are essentially the same is akin to holocaust denial. They are completely different. As evidence, just read this thread.

It's a hegelian method at full use. Stateside they play one side off the other also known as left/right cover. For instance you have the Bushies in office to push the big wars they want which gets huge support from the right which (for a time) looks the other way on the illegality of it all, only to have all that unravel and put egg on everyone's face; Obama on the other hand works up the left into social causes for harmony while liberals ignore the reality he has gone to extreme measures to ensure a level of racial tension not seen since the late 60's.

Liberals provide cover for Obama through it all while Conservatives played their role doing the same for Bush and the war on terror. Oligarchs who select these fools profit from all of it. Extrapolate all this down to the congressional levels and that's why they really are different sides of the same coin, playing ideological roles to serve their masters.

In that sense they are the same and have been for awhile.

[Elphenor]

The "both parties are the same" sometimes does hold true in The House where you have bought out democratic senators and congressmen that vote conservative randomly and it's like where did that come from, oh right your major donors

But Presidents get so much free media they are set for life and really hard to buy outright.

[Disco King]

On a lot of important issues, both parties are in unanimity and there aren't even debates about them.

However, the differences are still large enough to make voting important. Unless you refuse to vote against the Republicans and their plans to carpet-bomb Syria and cut funding for reproductive health and disaster relief in the case that Clinton wins the nomination because you know she's just exactly like them in every way even though she won't do those aforementioned horrible things I mentioned because you know she's just so bad and not even a real Democrat because she refuses to nationalize all the industries and redistribute productive land to the peasant class.

I mean I think Clinton has supported some awful things and I'm not a huge fan but I feel like these "EITHER BERNIE WINS OR I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME" folks are just trying to show how much more leftist than thou they are.

[Elphenor]

I think there actually might be a large part of the population, youth in particular, that doesn't really know politics but Bernie is like Mick Jagger to them

I mean polls are showing a lot of Bernie supporters are not really interested in voting for other democrats in other races even if Bernie wins the nomination which is really concerning

[Elphenor]

Bernie would be about as useful as Obama if he wins the general election only to be surrounded by Republicans

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Disco King

On a lot of important issues, both parties are in unanimity and there aren't even debates about them.

However, the differences are still large enough to make voting important. Unless you refuse to vote against the Republicans and their plans to carpet-bomb Syria and cut funding for reproductive health and disaster relief in the case that Clinton wins the nomination because you know she's just exactly like them in every way even though she won't do those aforementioned horrible things I mentioned because you know she's just so bad and not even a real Democrat because she refuses to nationalize all the industries and redistribute productive land to the peasant class.

I mean I think Clinton has supported some awful things and I'm not a huge fan but I feel like these "EITHER BERNIE WINS OR I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME" folks are just trying to show how much more leftist than thou they are.

yes

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I think there actually might be a large part of the population, youth in particular, that doesn't really know politics but Bernie is like Mick Jagger to them

I mean polls are showing a lot of Bernie supporters are not really interested in voting for other democrats in other races even if Bernie wins the nomination which is really concerning

and yes

[Elphenor]

But on the contrary

The majority of Hillary voters probably just went "who the fuck is this Bernie guy" and then checked Hillary

[MyOneAndOnly]

Bernie and Hillary voted the same way on almost every bill that went through the Senate. But based on what all the Bernie Bros say they're opposites. Sorry but I call bullshit.

Sanders is a left wing ideologue. I sympathize with his views, but his positions on many progressive issues during the primaries have ranged from ridiculous to absurd. Like the recent comment that Clinton is unqualified to be President. WTF? And Sanders hasn't done Jack shit to build a coalition that could win the general election. His support is mainly among liberal whites. In the general election he will have to start from scratch to build a coalition. Clinton has been laying that groundwork for years.

[MyOneAndOnly]

People bitched that GW Bush was a simpleton who gave one word answers to complex questions. Then they rag on Hillary for not spouting simple platitudes and holding nuanced positions on issues.

Liberals are often their own worst enemy. They have a chance to put a woman, and the most politically liberal person ever onto the white house, and they instead waste the past year repeating anti Hillary GOP talking points.

Fucking idiots

[Elphenor]

Why does her gender mean anything

I don't care about putting a woman into office

And I'm laughing really hard at you if you're seriously implying she's that politically liberal

The most ever? You can't be serious.

[Elphenor]

Hillary is unqualified because she voted for the Iraq War and the trade agreements that led to the mass exodus of jobs from the U.S.

That is Bernie's campaign position

Also Hillary was the first to pull the "not qualified" thing