2016 Presidential Primary

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

It's funny, Biafras actually starting to look like Donald Trump

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Actually this might be true if it was JUST systemic racism

This actually makes the case for it not just being systemic but outright discrimination from individuals

post WW2 Asians have simply not been subjected to the same level of racism largely because, well, they're skin is whiter

For example, while in theory Jim Crow applied to all minorities it wasn't applied nearly evenly, with African Americans of course getting the worst treatment while Asians could do things like attend good schools even in the deep south without issues

lol. Whiter skin? LOL. Racism is racism, why didn't they fall prey to the bias against their slanted eyes?

You may want to figure out the reason why the Asian culture decided to dominate american education for themselves and steered away from the Asian equivalents of race hucksters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I saw first hand how the Silicon Valley culture changed in two decades to a heavily Asian one and its not that they attended good schools, they just made them academically better wherever they went.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Disco King

I mean, it's great that TOC is sensible on this issue, but it's sad that he probably thinks that somewhere down the line the underlying issue is the Jews being behind it all.

"Objection, your Honor. Leading..."

"Sustained"


Equal chance there's a Jesuit in that rabbit hole. Doesn't matter to me; baphomet loving pedo's front all kinds of religions, professions and humanitarian causes to achieve their criminal goals.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Ugh

[MyOneAndOnly]

It's like a conversation in the front row of a Trump rally

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

"Objection, your Honor. Leading..."

"Sustained"


Equal chance there's a Jesuit in that rabbit hole. Doesn't matter to me; baphomet loving pedo's front all kinds of religions, professions and humanitarian causes to achieve their criminal goals.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

lol. Whiter skin? LOL. Racism is racism, why didn't they fall prey to the bias against their slanted eyes?

You may want to figure out the reason why the Asian culture decided to dominate american education for themselves and steered away from the Asian equivalents of race hucksters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I saw first hand how the Silicon Valley culture changed in two decades to a heavily Asian one and its not that they attended good schools, they just made them academically better wherever they went.

You know

For a minute there I thought maybe I misunderstood the subtext of your seemingly sensible post about systemic racism. maybe I jumped the gun.

But no, you were implying exactly what I figured.

The old "Blacks just chose to be victims that's why they don't get ahead"

[Elphenor]

Like you realize what you're saying there is PROFOUNDLY racist right

Just so we're clear

[fuzzyroes]

He's actually right man.

But the racism against African descent is a systematic one. Obviously surviving slavery and having their backs up against the wall at every turn has done them no favors in their progression in American society... But people aren't
"less" racist to Asians because their "skin is more white"... It's just that they've done a fantastic job at assimilating... The culture is all about hard-work and bettering yourself... So Asian immigrants were welcomed in with open arms because of the skills they have that they can offer to the country. My parents always told me "if you wanna live in the united states, you better meet a nice woman or work your ass off on a profession they'd welcome"

It's a systematic thing Elphy.... To think that it comes down to a color of the skin is ridiculous... Unless you're talking about white people... Then the empathy runs large

[fuzzyroes]

It actually brings a tear of joy to my eye when I see a doctor who's reigned from India or China serving their wisdom out to the western culture, living the "American dream". It's a testament to the fact that hard work pays.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

It actually brings a tear of joy to my eye when I see a doctor who's reigned from India or China serving their wisdom out to the western culture, living the "American dream". It's a testament to the fact that hard work pays.

lol

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Like you realize what you're saying there is PROFOUNDLY racist right

Just so we're clear

Only to Lib/Prog tards who can't rebuke the point and use the race card as argumentation.

Richard Sherman (NFL footballer who went to Stanford) spoke to this saying black folks need to address their issues internally, before they start crying systemic racism as the only reason blacks can't make it. He doesn't discount the notion, but since he grew up in the hood and the choices he made got him out of there, he knows its possible to ignore it all and move on.


So again, ask yourself, how is it that an entire generation of Japanese-Americans were in concentration camps during WWII and yet you don't hear anything from that culture about reparations and the like?

I guess you're incapable to finding that answer for your political sensibilities won't allow you to view it as anything other than racist. Welcome to your liberalism, dumbass!

[FoolofaTook]

what i want to know is if toc has ever pushed chore.

you smoke that hard, you hitting that rock, omega?

[killtrocity]

Originally Posted by Poots

Black people committ more crime per capita than any other race. That is an uncomfortable fact for most people, but it is still a fact. I don't believe it has anything to do with genetics of race, but simply the two factors I mentioned above: poverty and the complete destruction of the black family.

I don't see any evidence to suggest systemic racism in the justice system could account for that big of a discrepancy. It would be a relief if systemic racism were true, as that would be a much less daunting problem to overcome than the two things mentioned above.

But what do we mean by poverty? I think if we were to point to one single factor it would be the geographical concentration of extreme poverty





Regardless I agree that the genetic of race have nothing to do with disproportionate poverty and crime rates, especially since there is greater genetic diversity within the black "race" than there is between East Asians and Germans, for example. Most people can't even get their heads past that, and it doesn't help that social factors are infinitely more complex and difficult to understand

[MyOneAndOnly]

Poots is a fucking retard why even try to reason with him?

[killtrocity]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

You may want to figure out the reason why the Asian culture decided to dominate american education for themselves and steered away from the Asian equivalents of race hucksters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I saw first hand how the Silicon Valley culture changed in two decades to a heavily Asian one and its not that they attended good schools, they just made them academically better wherever they went.

A culture is a collective of individuals. By reducing an entire population of people to a single individual making a choice via comparison, you have perfectly highlighted the shortsightedness of those who share your perspective.

-black people choose to be incarcerated?
-white people choose to be wealthy?
-Asians choose to be scientifically inclined?

No, all of these things are socially imposed on individuals via culture who then make choices in the presence of these influencing factors. What person in their right mind would choose to be poor and incarcerated, all other things being equal? It's about ACCESS TO RESOURCES, of which education is one.

[killtrocity]

Originally Posted by Poots

I think Bernie Sanders has done a good job of pointing out that America's racial problems are largely economic problems, but unfortunately this does not resonate with all people. I think the "overt systemic racism" angle is most used because it makes for more juicy headlines. No one wants to talk about poverty, income inequality, and unemployment (or underemployment), just race shit. Ultimately, there will always be a racist bogeyman hiding in the shadows to blame for any problem, but I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue or works toward real solutions to these problems.

Agreed 100%. You don't hear the BLM activists demanding access to affordable healthcare and quality education, or curbing outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. Instead they make empty statements like "don't kill us", and granted disproportionate shootings of blacks by police is a very real phenomenon, but it is a symptom of a much deeper problem. It's literally the same thing as Donald Trump saying "make America great again". HOW? What is the plan? What is the underlying problem and how do we address it? The Occupy "movement" had the same problem. The common denominator in all of this is lack of education, imo. Without education, they can't see the forest from the trees

[MyOneAndOnly]

There is no discussing things with a horrible waste of humanity such as you.

You're an ignorant stupid racist piece of trash. I hope you get untreatable syphilis

[MyOneAndOnly]

yes, please do so. leave

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Poots

I think Bernie Sanders has done a good job of pointing out that America's racial problems are largely economic problems, but unfortunately this does not resonate with all people. I think the "overt systemic racism" angle is most used because it makes for more juicy headlines. No one wants to talk about poverty, income inequality, and unemployment (or underemployment), just race shit. Ultimately, there will always be a racist bogeyman hiding in the shadows to blame for any problem, but I don't think that gets to the heart of the issue or works toward real solutions to these problems.

I actually agree with this and have already in this thread

But then you go on to equate the very real problem of our cultural and systemic racism to a conspiracy theory

That is dumb.

[MyOneAndOnly]

racism is not just an economic issue in that sense. if that was the case there would be no difference between the ratio of poor whites and blacks vs middle and upper class.

this country has a 500 year history of racism, culiminating in genocide and slavery. Sanders doesn't prescribe to the idea that it's all economics and not race

[MyOneAndOnly]

it's like saying that the holocaust was an economic issue

[Elphenor]

No doubt the economic issues are a direct result of past racist oppression

But now those economic issues are the biggest source of oppression

Still that isn't to say BLM is wrong in its cause to bring attention to the murder of young black Americans by cops across the country

or that we do not still have racist laws and racist people

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

He's actually right man.

But the racism against African descent is a systematic one. Obviously surviving slavery and having their backs up against the wall at every turn has done them no favors in their progression in American society... But people aren't
"less" racist to Asians because their "skin is more white"... It's just that they've done a fantastic job at assimilating... The culture is all about hard-work and bettering yourself... So Asian immigrants were welcomed in with open arms because of the skills they have that they can offer to the country. My parents always told me "if you wanna live in the united states, you better meet a nice woman or work your ass off on a profession they'd welcome"

It's a systematic thing Elphy.... To think that it comes down to a color of the skin is ridiculous... Unless you're talking about white people... Then the empathy runs large

It's simple, really. At one time the color line was white and not-white. Now it's black and not black. Anyone who doesn't have black skin is largely assimilated in the USA at this point, except perhaps native americans. This is largely my opinion of course.

If you've never been around racists IRL I can see how you might not see it, but there's millions of people living in the south who think black people are literally not humans, or genetically inferior humans. I mean they really think this. They teach this to their children. And like whoever said up there, there is more genetic diversity between africans living in african than between africans and europeons. but millions of people think this shit.

for some of it it's not even a hateful thing. it's like, you know, monkeys are inferior to humans, horses are, dogs are, and blacks. it's that ingrained in some people.

[Elphenor]

Fuzzy is displaying the classic "it's black culture" backhanded racism there

"Their culture is all about hard work and bettering yourself"

Implying Black culture is about laziness and defeatism

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

racism is not just an economic issue in that sense. if that was the case there would be no difference between the ratio of poor whites and blacks vs middle and upper class.

this country has a 500 year history of racism, culiminating in genocide and slavery.

this is true but economics was the reason for the subjugation of black people in the US to begin with obviously, and I imagine most structural oppression has a strong economic component. The hate, which is first used as legitimization of abuse and dehumanization for gain of $$$ then takes on a life of its own

[Cool As Ice Cream]

It actually brings a tear of joy to my eye

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Poots

Black culture is saturated with defeatism. That's not to say it is their fault--of course it would be after years of being forced to the bottom. But, among especially poor blacks, there is a definate "I can never win because I'm black so why even try?"

I went to a black church a few years ago and they had a prayer that was absolutely heartbreaking. I can't remember the actual words but it was something like "God why did you make my skin black so that others hate me? Why am I the color of dirt and filth?" Imagine being a child growing up in that self-loathing environment.

Hopelessness exists amongst the impoverished everywhere it is not specific to African Americans

And it is not even unreasonable, this country offers very low social mobility for those at the very bottom

[Cool As Ice Cream]

the american dream
cash rewards
*information technology

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Poots

That's not exactly true. Most poor whites have a "temporarily frustrated millionaire" vibe. Just an unreasonable optimism that their situation is temporary, even though it has been going on for decades or generations. There ship will come in.

sounds like folk psychology to me