The vixnix no holds barred thread

[FoolofaTook]

both of u

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

Reprise I've been studying a bit of this kinda stuff through the youth work context and research indicates that at the point of service you're talking about (secondary/at-risk/high risk) the best way to stop young people from cycling into serious criminal/antisocial behaviour is to enable them to do things for themselves and engaging them with their community/society - heaps and heaps of cycles of destructive behaviours are seeded in a sense of social and cultural displacement. Same reason that islamophobia actively served to radicalise young Muslims in western countries.

/rant

sure. you can see it through that lens which is basically sociologically. it's definitely a large component. im more knowledgeable, obviously, about interpersonal relationships w/r/t cycles of violence.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by reprise85

this has got to be a joke

you're really in favor of the thought police for people who have never done anything? you do realize we have no idea how many people are pedophiles who have never acted and have never been close to acting, but the number is probably substantial?

and euthanizing them i mean you know i'm against that but at least you're talkin about people who actually have done something. i mean i've had abuses by several people, one who was extremely psychopathic and he is the only one in my mind who has basically no worth as a person and no hope for any kind of help because he doesnt feel bad about what he does and isnt sorry.

everyone who is a pedophile isnt the same. you can't put someone who does not act in the same category as a predatory pedophile who has acted

I can guarantee you that if you included those with thoughts at some point regarding teens and preteens, such a thought police (Minority Report) styled death penalty program would wind up killing the majority of all men (straight or gay).

[reprise85]

i think you are right. especially if you include teens

[The exploding boy]

i remember in one of my mom's women magazine (Elle Quebec) in the 90's reading that they'd anonymously polled men and asked if they could have consensual sex with a 14 years old girl and nobody would ever ever possibly know would they do it and it was like a 80% yes. I was pretty shocked with this answer at the time. Probably because i was about 14 and hoping to sleep with 14 years old girls and thought, "go fuck women your own age you old pervos"

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

I understand wanting the death penalty for some people - even though I disagree strongly with capital punishment. But if you are going to put someone to death, doing it to save money is a fucking repulsive reason to do it.

WWJD?

[FoolofaTook]

why is it only men who lust after the young?

no mature cougars be drooling over fresh faced youths?

[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

i remember in one of my mom's women magazine (Elle Quebec) in the 90's reading that they'd anonymously polled men and asked if they could have consensual sex with a 14 years old girl and nobody would ever ever possibly know would they do it and it was like a 80% yes. I was pretty shocked with this answer at the time. Probably because i was about 14 and hoping to sleep with 14 years old girls and thought, "go fuck women your own age you old pervos"

how do you feel about it now that u r 40?

[vixnix]

There's a difference between the death penalty and euthanasia.

It wouldn't be a punishment. They could have a week of last requests and then slowly enter into a morphine overdose or something.

Not just for pedos, for anyone convicted of violent crimes against others. It is grotesque to think about cost saving measures, but with the billions of people waiting in line for a western lifestyle - if you start out with that and end up becoming antisocial, I think the gene pool is probably better off without your heritable traits.

It's lunacy at this point not to think of cost saving measures. Tens of thousands of children will die today, worldwide, of hunger. Our apathy is a death sentence to them. And hardly a merciful one, like the euthanasia I propose.

I only compare pedophilia to homosexuality because it has become apparent that sexual preferences are innate and unchangeable. Someone who has had fleeting thoughts or desires but seeks in reality, sexual relationships with people of an appropriate age, is not in my mind, somebody who needs detention.

Somebody who can not maintain adult relationships and compulsively seeks real life contact with children, does need to be contained. Yes, detention causes a level of suffering. I do believe that should be mitigated as much as possible, by vetting staff so that the detainee will be treated respectfully while in detention. It should be comfortable and pleasant.

For those that lack the self control or courage to turn themselves in, and who go on to abuse a child, I think euthanasia is a good solution. Detention and therapy are expensive, and there are families who desperately need those resources and who have done nothing wrong, and are starving to death. I guess I'm thinking ideally, and in a global sense.

[hnibos]

Tens of thousands of children waiting to be adopted yet you and millions have people decide to have children. How do you feel about that?

[The exploding boy]

that guy's got a point

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by vixnix

.

For those that lack the self control or courage to turn themselves in, and who go on to abuse a child, I think euthanasia is a good solution. Detention and therapy are expensive, and there are families who desperately need those resources and who have done nothing wrong, and are starving to death. I guess I'm thinking ideally, and in a global sense.

Totally rational and humane way of approaching this issue.


Bravo.

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by vixnix

There's a difference between the death penalty and euthanasia.

It wouldn't be a punishment. They could have a week of last requests and then slowly enter into a morphine overdose or something.
.

Ah yes now that you explain it this way i totally see how it is not at all like a death penalty.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

why is it only men who lust after the young?

no mature cougars be drooling over fresh faced youths?

you don't know that gay men lust after teen boys?

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by hnibos

Tens of thousands of children waiting to be adopted yet you and millions have people decide to have children. How do you feel about that?

I feel as though I owe it to those families, to give them the opportunities that I've enjoyed. Adoption isn't the best option IMO. Most children would rather that their family of origin was empowered to be self-directed and with a reasonably secure future.

If I didn't have children of my own, I wouldn't understand that. People are not islands, as social animals we are born into a group and will base our selfhood on that group. I think kids need to remain within their extended kin group or in close relationship with them. They end up with a fragile self concept otherwise.

[vixnix]

We apply all these concepts in animal management but somehow still haven't addressed the hubris involved in not turning that lens on ourselves.

[Trotskilicious]

she's got a point

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by vixnix

There's a difference between the death penalty and euthanasia.

It wouldn't be a punishment. They could have a week of last requests and then slowly enter into a morphine overdose or something.

Not just for pedos, for anyone convicted of violent crimes against others.

That is not euthanasia, that is a poor attempt at making a euphemism for a death sentence.

[sppunk]

I think vixnix is actually Glenn Beck.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

she's got a point

No she doesn't, she's literally weighing her own biased family values against the fact that these children she supposedly gives a shit about are starving to death.

Suggesting that separation from biological parents leads to a fragile self worth is patronising to adopted children and the whole adoption process. I bet vixnix is strongly against homosexual couples adopting children, too.

[Lucky Day Spa]

Originally Posted by vixnix

I'm guess so. I've never known anyone who was interested in working there apart from the one I mentioned. I assumed there was a reason for that, too.

I meant sometimes when people are so unfamiliar with what constitutes an interesting and useful argument, and are generally only interested in poo-flinging matches, it seems wasteful to put time and energy into creating an interesting and useful argument when I have a huge steaming pile of poo ready to be flung.

Wow, never? Are you from Wellington originally or did you come for uni from somewhere else?

Would you agree with the suggestion thatyou've been flinging some generous amounts of poo around in here?

And no I've never worked in government. I moved here from Dunedin, where I distinguished myself chiefly as a music dropout

[MyOneAndOnly]

So vix basically says leave kids homeless because they would t be happy with an adopted family.

BULLSHIT!

[MyOneAndOnly]

I have 4 brothers and 3 sisters. And most of them are still young and cranking out babies. I feel its my duty to counter their spawning by wasting all my sperm on procreation-free sex.

Although one of my sisters is a quiver full mom so its probably pointless.

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Lucky Day Spa

Would you agree with the suggestion thatyou've been flinging some generous amounts of poo around in here?

And no I've never worked in government. I moved here from Dunedin, where I distinguished myself chiefly as a music dropout

Yeah absolutely. That's what I mean though. I mean how many mg you times have people told me I'm a shitty mother or that I'm crazy or retarded or jealous or ignorant... I mean, why not fling a bit myself?

Did you go to OBHS? I'm thinking of moving home so that the boys can either go there or Wellington college.

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

That is not euthanasia, that is a poor attempt at making a euphemism for a death sentence.

What is it that bothers you about the death sentence, if not the brutality aspect? If the death is.expected to be physically pleasant and the detainee is.treated with respect while they are alive, what specifically is your objection?

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

So vix basically says leave kids homeless because they would t be happy with an adopted family.

BULLSHIT!

I'm sure you can decide that I've said 'basically' anything, but that isn't what I was meaning, no.

On the one hand you guise are like you're a batch for letting these kids starve (I mean, in that case, we all are, right?) and then on the other hand when I suggest that the opportunities for rehabilitation are taken from known offenders and given to.disadvantaged communities you're all like, that's grotesque.

Whatevs.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by vixnix

What is it that bothers you about the death sentence, if not the brutality aspect? If the death is.expected to be physically pleasant and the detainee is.treated with respect while they are alive, what specifically is your objection?

It doesn't matter if the inmate is treated with respect and if the death is expected to be painless, it's still instituted murder, a misuse of power, and a violation of the most basic of human rights.

I can't do this anymore
This board sucks
Nobody on Netphoria is anyone's friend
Everyone is just looking for ammo with which to slam everyone else for their personal lives and invalidate their opinions
It sucks
This place is as ugly as any PUA redpill forum

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

It doesn't matter if the inmate is treated with respect and if the death is expected to be painless, it's still instituted murder, a misuse of power, and a violation of the most basic of human rights.

What is the most basic human right, and how do we measure a being's humanity? Is a fetus a human? Is a newborn baby a human? Is a person with Down's Syndrome a human? Is a chimpanzee a human? Is a bonobo a human?

What is it about humans that entitles them to rights? Why don't cows deserve cow rights that protect them from instituted murder and misuse of power? What about chickens? What about pigs? What about dogs? Or cats? Or horses? Or lions? Or gorillas?

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by Aeris Hilton

I can't do this anymore
This board sucks
Nobody on Netphoria is anyone's friend
Everyone is just looking for ammo with which to slam everyone else for their personal lives and invalidate their opinions
It sucks
This place is as ugly as any PUA redpill forum

It sucks but it doesn't change. I actually think that's what a lot of people are here for. It's like a massive transference intersection.