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Old 04-16-2015, 02:13 AM   #61
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Just enjoy your triple ear corn that we invented
sounds cool, tripled the harvest

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and be glad you don't have to pick cotton anymore.
does it pick itself? sounds cool.

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:15 AM   #62
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at the end of the day, i'm glad you actually care about something

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:44 AM   #63
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we are wanting to grow some veggies in our backyard next year - this year we're getting the whole yard re-tilled and leveled.

shit may possibly be dope as hell; might not. We'll see.

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 12:09 PM   #64
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Most of the health studies about GMOs are done by companies like Monsanto or the FDA which is nothing but former VPs of big agri-businesses. I'm sure RJ Reynolds has some great peer reviewed research on tobacco that could turn some heads.
Wouldn't say "most of the studies" but it is true that the FDA is loaded with ex management which is scary as fuck

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 01:02 PM   #65
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remember how there were studies that said it wasnt safe?

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 01:47 PM   #66
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That's why I'm skeptical of GMO's

It's excellent if properly monitored and regulated for the benefit of mankind but it's also potentially horrific when in the hands of profit driven machines
see also: any industry that creates negative externalities; the global economy; hell, all organised human activity that occurs at scale

we're talking apes evolved to cognitively manage membership within a local population of ~<150, trying to muddle through in absurdly giant, tangled social systems with brains that simply don't have the machinery to properly understand them, operating under non-aligned incentives and usually with poor information

do i have a point? how about that it shouldn't surprise us that there are companies like monsanto, but that it's important to remember how inherently compromised all operations of that size are and that they're still run by people who may be blinkered or profit-motivated to the point of recklessness but who probably aren't flat out evil and knowingly out to destroy the world. regulation to counteract predictable distortions is, as you say, absolutely necessary, but—

uh, fuck it. my point is, it's a false binary, just as the OP's question is a false binary, which is why overly-reductive questions like that lead to long threads here (a good thing) but with lots of probably-avoidable arguments (not always a good thing)

 
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but let's not get meta here, someone will get roundup in their eye

 
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:07 PM   #68
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even scotty, you dont know everything for sure 100% because long term studies cant be really done until times goes on and on and on and by the time we think we know something we're all dead and the damage is done.
If in the future facts come to light that challenge an opinion I hold I will be happy to change.

I don't claim to know the future. But I consider myself a skeptic, which means that I make fact based decisions and I form my opinions based on the scientific consensus.
In the case of GMOs, Organic agriculture, etc. I base my decisions and opinions on the settled science. Not based on whatever paranoia is circulating through the internet and the media.

 
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