SCOTUS puts your health care on trial

MyOneAndOnly · 03-04-2015, 01:13 PM

Oral arguments today. Kennedy and the 4 Dem appointed justices all sounding skeptical of the petitioners.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/0...alth-law-case/

If a conservative majority holds on the court this could destroy private health insurance companies in the United States and 9 million people would almost certainly lose coverage right away.

MyOneAndOnly · 03-04-2015, 01:16 PM

I don't understand why SCOTUS would agree to even hear this case. It's frivolous and there's serious issues of standing for the petitioners. It's obvious that conservatives don't care about consistency from the bench, but if the court were to overturn the subsidies portion of the law over a 4 word typo there are countless other laws that would then be subject to review by the courts. Just about every large piece of legislation that goes through congress has minor grammatical mistakes that could read like this.

Order 66 · 03-04-2015, 02:40 PM

is there any precedent to this? striking a law because of a 'glitch'?

Eulogy · 03-04-2015, 11:44 PM

It's not ambiguous and the plaintiffs have never had any fucking idea what the case is about and might not even have standing

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 07:34 AM

No there isn't. Some of the justices who granted cert may very well have wanted to shut this fucking litigator up once and for all.

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 09:30 AM

Eh. Maybe.

But this is obviously more high profile. And he could have just found other plaintiffs in a different circuit.

Scalia's "surely congress wouldn't sit idly by" statement makes it seem like he's going to interpret the statute in a way he's never said statutes should be interpreted. Because he's an intellectually dishonest shit masquerading as a scholar. I hate him so much.

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 09:31 AM

And also he can't possibly believe this congress could act to fix anything

Ugggh

Order 66 · 03-05-2015, 11:47 AM

i mean if the law ddnt allow for federal exchanges i dont think theyd.. yknow.. set up federal exchanges. just seems asinine for this to be in contention over four words

itd be pretty lulzy if they rule in the plaintiffs favor. in a sad way of course

Order 66 · 03-05-2015, 12:40 PM

yeah but this suit in particular is just nitpicking and politicizing

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poots

Scalia is a total prick, but there is no denying that he's brilliant. One of the most intelligent people on the Court in a long time in my opinion although I disagree with most of his opinions.

No. This is a fantasy that everyone has for some reason bought into.

He's a good writer. Beyond that his mind is nothing special at all.

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poots

I think the issue is federalism--is it within the power of the federal gov't to do so?

No that was the 2012 case.

This is solely a matter of statutory interpretation.

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 04:31 PM

What examples of his brilliance are you thinking of

Elphenor · 03-05-2015, 04:50 PM

Scalia is at best really dumb and at worst being intellectually dishonest because of his biases

The Omega Concern · 03-05-2015, 06:03 PM

I'm puzzled this is reviewed as well, but only because Roberts must of got the equivalent of a Horses head in his bed the night before the SC green lighted it in 2012. .

This then, is really a push-back to that. So it is interesting.

Eulogy · 03-05-2015, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Scalia is at best really dumb and at worst being intellectually dishonest because of his biases

I mean

I can grant he has a certain brand of intelligence. You can't be dumb and write that well.

I dunno. I just hate him.

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Eh. Maybe.

But this is obviously more high profile. And he could have just found other plaintiffs in a different circuit.

Scalia's "surely congress wouldn't sit idly by" statement makes it seem like he's going to interpret the statute in a way he's never said statutes should be interpreted. Because he's an intellectually dishonest shit masquerading as a scholar. I hate him so much.

i havent looked forward to anyone dropping dead this much since strom thurmond

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy

No. This is a fantasy that everyone has for some reason bought into.

He's a good writer. Beyond that his mind is nothing special at all.

depends on if you think reptillian is special

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poots

Come on. Admitting he is extremely intelligent does not mean you have to agree with him. He has a phenomenal grasp of logic, the law, and history. His ability to write well and express himself in convincing arguments is evidence of that. He might draw conclusions that you or I disagree with, but saying that he is not a brilliant mind sounds spiteful and petty.

i dunno how any of this makes up for being evil. congrats hes diabolical i guess?

fuck scalia

duovamp · 03-05-2015, 07:27 PM

He interprets the law how he wants to interpret it, just like every other judge. He's smart, but he has a different point of view - one that specifically hurts certain people. He doesn't care about those people. That's what makes him an asshole.

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 08:12 PM

shhh justice thomas is napping

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 08:13 PM

i mean goebbles was a high functioning near genius but i fail to see the value in pointing it out

Trotskilicious · 03-05-2015, 08:42 PM

bill is a fucking idiot

Elphenor · 03-05-2015, 08:45 PM

Being a genius who's just an asshole is so much worse than just being dumb I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Elphenor · 03-06-2015, 12:22 AM

If you just believe hard enough one day that joke will be funny

MyOneAndOnly · 03-09-2015, 08:47 PM

billy is not a genius. He's a one in a million musician, but his grasp of everything else is probably just average

MyOneAndOnly · 03-09-2015, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poots

Scalia could be an evil person (or not), I'm not debating that. But he obviously has a standout intelligence in a group of highly intelligent people. Conceding that doesn't mean that I have to agree with him. Sometimes the logic shown in his opinions is ironclad, though I fundamentally disagree with it. He's facinating in that respect. Unlike, say, Clarence Thomas, who is a Scalia clone without the intelligence.

What good is all that "intelligence" when it's put to use fucking people over? His most obvious quality is hubris. He is an Opus Dei member. He advocates American exceptionalism. He's a racist, sexist, etc. etc. His reading of history and the constitution is bizarre, warped and arguably evil.

Being intelligent doesn't mean shit if yoiu're a POS like Scalia

Trotskilicious · 03-10-2015, 07:24 AM

it just makes you diabolical

MyOneAndOnly · 03-10-2015, 04:45 PM

I call it like it is. I have no reason to couch my language. I will show no respect for those who give none.

Trotskilicious · 03-12-2015, 06:13 AM

ugh this guy already

03-04-2015, 01:13 PM	#1
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,955	SCOTUS puts your health care on trial Oral arguments today. Kennedy and the 4 Dem appointed justices all sounding skeptical of the petitioners. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/0...alth-law-case/ If a conservative majority holds on the court this could destroy private health insurance companies in the United States and 9 million people would almost certainly lose coverage right away.

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03-04-2015, 01:16 PM	#2
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,955	I don't understand why SCOTUS would agree to even hear this case. It's frivolous and there's serious issues of standing for the petitioners. It's obvious that conservatives don't care about consistency from the bench, but if the court were to overturn the subsidies portion of the law over a 4 word typo there are countless other laws that would then be subject to review by the courts. Just about every large piece of legislation that goes through congress has minor grammatical mistakes that could read like this.

03-04-2015, 02:40 PM	#3
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,883	is there any precedent to this? striking a law because of a 'glitch'?

03-04-2015, 11:44 PM	#4
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	It's not ambiguous and the plaintiffs have never had any fucking idea what the case is about and might not even have standing

03-05-2015, 07:34 AM	#5
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	No there isn't. Some of the justices who granted cert may very well have wanted to shut this fucking litigator up once and for all.

03-05-2015, 09:30 AM	#6
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	Eh. Maybe. But this is obviously more high profile. And he could have just found other plaintiffs in a different circuit. Scalia's "surely congress wouldn't sit idly by" statement makes it seem like he's going to interpret the statute in a way he's never said statutes should be interpreted. Because he's an intellectually dishonest shit masquerading as a scholar. I hate him so much.

03-05-2015, 09:31 AM	#7
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	And also he can't possibly believe this congress could act to fix anything Ugggh

03-05-2015, 11:47 AM	#8
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,883	i mean if the law ddnt allow for federal exchanges i dont think theyd.. yknow.. set up federal exchanges. just seems asinine for this to be in contention over four words itd be pretty lulzy if they rule in the plaintiffs favor. in a sad way of course

03-05-2015, 12:40 PM	#9
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,883	yeah but this suit in particular is just nitpicking and politicizing

03-05-2015, 04:31 PM	#12
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	What examples of his brilliance are you thinking of

03-05-2015, 04:50 PM	#13
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	Scalia is at best really dumb and at worst being intellectually dishonest because of his biases

03-05-2015, 06:03 PM	#14
The Omega Concern Banned Location: stay, far, away Posts: 8,997	I'm puzzled this is reviewed as well, but only because Roberts must of got the equivalent of a Horses head in his bed the night before the SC green lighted it in 2012. . This then, is really a push-back to that. So it is interesting.

03-05-2015, 07:27 PM	#19
duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,674	He interprets the law how he wants to interpret it, just like every other judge. He's smart, but he has a different point of view - one that specifically hurts certain people. He doesn't care about those people. That's what makes him an asshole.

03-05-2015, 08:12 PM	#20
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	shhh justice thomas is napping

03-05-2015, 08:13 PM	#21
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	i mean goebbles was a high functioning near genius but i fail to see the value in pointing it out

03-05-2015, 08:42 PM	#22
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	bill is a fucking idiot

03-05-2015, 08:45 PM	#23
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	Being a genius who's just an asshole is so much worse than just being dumb I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

03-06-2015, 12:22 AM	#24
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	If you just believe hard enough one day that joke will be funny

03-09-2015, 08:47 PM	#25
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,955	billy is not a genius. He's a one in a million musician, but his grasp of everything else is probably just average

03-10-2015, 07:24 AM	#27
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	it just makes you diabolical

03-10-2015, 04:45 PM	#28
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,955	I call it like it is. I have no reason to couch my language. I will show no respect for those who give none.

03-12-2015, 06:13 AM	#29
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	ugh this guy already