Bruce Jenner is the Chaz Bono of the boomer generation

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Lucky Day Spa

there's no evidence that souls exist; meanwhile gender is demonstrably a social construct. accept it or don't, just know you're probably going to make others' lives worse if you don't

o.k.

how about the electrical current that runs through us? The electric system of the heart?

If you accept what physics tells us that energy never dies, it just changes state, then it stands to reason the current within us goes someplace.

You don't have to call it soul if you don't want...but it applies all the same.


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The social construct evolves around gender, not the other way around. You'd be better dropping the indoctrinated social science psychobabble.

[Lucky Day Spa]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

o.k.

how about the electrical current that runs through us? The electric system of the heart?

If you accept what physics tells us that energy never dies, it just changes state, then it stands to reason the current within us goes someplace.

You don't have to call it soul if you don't want...but it applies all the same.

some of it dissipates as heat and the rest remains in the corpse as chemical potential energy until it oxidises/rots/whatever. there is no reason to suspect that any continuation of the personality remains after death; it's far likelier that your mind is simply an emergent property of your body's biochemistry, and that it will break down when your body inevitably breaks down

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

The social construct evolves around gender, not the other way around. You'd be better dropping the indoctrinated social science psychobabble.

gender and sex are not the same thing. you might find it helpful to try and understand what you're railing against before you start with the condescension

[Trotskilicious]

he used the I word dude, it's over. he won.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Game over

[Lucky Day Spa]

oh well, in post-match commentary here's bertrand russell to tell it like it is http://www.brainpickings.org/2015/02...ity-good-life/

[dreams of glass]

USA

USA

[Lucky Day Spa]

alternatively, apparently a thing: stevie wonder truthers

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/ste...nce-1641795715

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Also, I know some of the pervs in the education sector are chomping at the bit to continue confusing young minds into this illness. Here in Cali there's a law where those so confused about their sexuality can use whatever bathroom they want.

We have androgynous souls that gets compartmentalized into a body on this planet. Accept it or don't and if you don't, just know you've reneged on your original choice in the first place. And what's to stop people from accepting their ethnicity as well as their sexuality? All one has to do is claim they feel like the other. Sounds like a culture working on self-destruction, one where natural child bearing as we know it will be viewed as less than and barbaric. #invitrogeneselction

I agree with you man. I was watching some documentary where they were getting ready to pump some little girl full of hormones. Most of her reasons for wanting to be a guy were all superficial things like "I never wanted to play with barbies, I feel stupid when I wear a dress."

She then went on to say that she just always related with a boys mindset... But all of her examples as to how were just superficial stereotypes that society imposes onto genders. Yet the doctors were thrilled to oblige.

I mean shit, I'm not pleased with a lot of attributes that nature granted me, but you just have to learn to be happy in your own skin and just roll with the punches.

[fuzzyroes]

It's like people who aren't happy with their appearance who just get tons and tons of plastic surgery until they look like a skin-puppet. It's a free world, do as you wish but a lot of these types of people never end up happy.

[toase]

what kind of expert are you?

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

If someone feels like they've been black, white, hispanic or asian during life but wasn't born that way, will some skin coloring and other cosmetic surgeries be suffice to claim another ethinicity? So much so that a white person can become black and be eligible for NAACP scholarships?

Holy shit this is retarded

We don't attribute mental differences to race like we do for gender. They aren't comparable at all.

[yo soy el mejor]

aw, toc.

he tries so hard.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

o.k.

how about the electrical current that runs through us? The electric system of the heart?

If you accept what physics tells us that energy never dies, it just changes state, then it stands to reason the current within us goes someplace.



You'd be better dropping the indoctrinated social science psychobabble.

My sides

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by toase

what kind of expert are you?

I'm not, it's simply my opinion.

It's like: "awhh shit I wish I wasn't a guy....in my mind I don't feel like a guy"... Well that's all fine and dandy, but it's not something that you have a choice of...We're just a product of a biology that has evolved for many, many years.

What does it even mean to "feel like a guy or girl" anyways? To me all that comes down to superficial ideologies of what it means to be of a certain gender... People get too obsessed with social standards and all of that nonsense.

In my mind it is a total mental problem. TOC's opinion isn't a popular one, but he's pretty much right.

That's just my opinion. I mean no offense to anyone. It's a free country, people can do what they desire as long as it's legal. I just think a lot of the medical agencies are happy for the money as opposed to really doing the sufficient therapy in order to understand where a persons coming from.

[fuzzyroes]

I mean, I know guys who are super feminine and have all of the characteristics of a woman and they're fine just knowing that that's how they are. They don't need to pump themselves full of hormones and cut off their dicks to feel liberated.

[Elphenor]

Gender is a societal construct. A list of attributes that have been put into one of the two categories.

If you have all of the "female" qualities but you're in a male body your life could be torture.

It's completely understandable why someone would want to make their sex match their gender

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

It's like people who aren't happy with their appearance who just get tons and tons of plastic surgery until they look like a skin-puppet. It's a free world, do as you wish but a lot of these types of people never end up happy.

No it is not like that.

Please be more aware of your ignorance.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

it's not something that you have a choice of.

If that were true we wouldn't even be having this conversation

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I mean, I know guys who are super feminine and have all of the characteristics of a woman and they're fine just knowing that that's how they are. They don't need to pump themselves full of hormones and cut off their dicks to feel liberated.

Ugh oh my god

I guess I can't be surprised but

[Eulogy]

Elphenor you're not really helping

[reprise85]

fuzzy, there is scientific evidence that gender identity develops in the womb at a different time than a person's genitals and that they are not always in line with each other: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21094885

also, there are many people born with both male and female genitalia who may be brought up one way but feel a different way

there are also physical differences between the male and female brain and transexuals often have the brain characteristics of the gender they are transitioning to: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal.../378068a0.html

[fuzzyroes]

ehhh, some of that research is iffy... at best.

Hear me out: This documentary that I watched focused on 2 different kids... They both got into the hormonal therapy before they hit puberty. One girl transitioned into a guy. On the documentary the mom of the kid was going on about how her ex husband-the girls father was an alcoholic and constantly would go on rants about how he wished the kid was a guy instead. Apparently he went on with that shit for years... In front of the kid.

So in that circumstance it really seems like it's a deeply rooted psychological problem that was a result of the fathers behavior... I don't see how anyone could look at it any different way... Yet the doctors were still happy to let the girl go through with the hormonal therapy.

[reprise85]

You watched one show that's purpose is to sensational something.

I offer actual peer reviewed research.

Which one is more compelling?

Even if those instances were not biological-based, that doesn't mean that nobody's transition is biologically based

[reprise85]

also forgive me if i dont think you know how to recognize iffy research.

[fuzzyroes]

It wasn't a sensational program at all. It was like a 2 hour program on 2 kids going through the transformation... The stuff about the father was just mentioned casually at one point during the broadcast.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

ehhh, some of that research is iffy... at best.

.

What gives you the authority to make this claim? And what documentary are you talking about?

[Eulogy]

It's one thing to be uneducated, dim, and ignorant. It is another to be those things and aggressively lack self awareness about it.

[reprise85]

fuzzy, if you'd like to actually become educated so you can form an educated opinion i would be happy to find and upload full length academic papers about this topic for you.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

What gives you the authority to make this claim? And what documentary are you talking about?

I watched it a couple years ago... I'm not sure... But the mother with the alcoholic ex-husband actually ended up dating a guy who transitioned from a girl.

If you google that something should come up.

It was broadcast on CNN or one of the other news stations.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Elphenor you're not really helping

I hope you're not reading my posts as saying gender is a choice or something.