Free public transport

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

what's so wrong about working hard to make a living

Also nobody is saying anything like this

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

life's tough, man

have you watched the wire yet

because you probably should

[Trotskilicious]

because i don't think you have any conception of how hard life is for the poor

[Elphenor]

No he totally is poor man you just have to work hard and stuff

[Elphenor]

"Hard Work" is the phrase you hear the most from people who have zero knowledge of politics and economics and how they relate to the individual

[Trotskilicious]

i like it when i hear it in the office

"i'm working hard"
you're fucking seated

[dreams of glass]

ok, trots

way to generalize

[Trotskilicious]

yeah it can be incredibly stressful and i guess i'm splitting hairs over an idiom but i'll take 10 hours of deadline office work to 6 hours at a fucking mcdonalds

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

life's tough, man

I hate when people break this out.

It's not about life being "tough" it's about it being unequal

[dreams of glass]

you are right

men were not created equal

[Elphenor]

They aren't treated equally

[Trotskilicious]

no i think he's saying that some people are better than others

[Elphenor]

I know that's what he's saying

[Elphenor]

Pretty much any argument saying that wealth is distributed based on individual worth fails pretty hard when you look at the gap in wealth between whites and non-whites

Unless of course, you're a racist

[Trotskilicious]

i'm not racist it's just that black people blame racism instead of working hard

[Trotskilicious]

duh

[Elphenor]

I'm expecting the "black culture" angle

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

I'm basically right above the poverty line right now.

I'm not some super rich asshole if that's what you think.

edit: shit I've been stressing over whether I can make rent this month for the last week

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

what's so wrong about working hard to make a living

you guys call it "bootstrapping", like it's an impossible task

You said you're at or near the poverty line and you're worried about making rent. So you work hard and are poor. And you think that's ok?

[vixnix]

i'd be happy to pay higher taxes to make public transport more affordable. It's definitely something that limits movement for people on lower incomes, which sucks.

[Eulogy]

It'd also probably be pretty easy to tie it in to other programs. Like if you're on Medicaid or receiving other assistance you just get a card giving you access to the public transportation where you live. Right?

[Tootles]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

Hes a white man he knows how it is

This statement is so ignorant, yet still you are incapable of understanding why. What you are saying is that only white people can do this. You are white..... Also, you are saying that black and hispanics and every other race are incapable of doing it. If that is not a racist statement.....

[Tootles]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

because as hunter s wrote in the 70s, this horatio alger myth is fucking bullshit and there's a lot less upward mobility than you think

and you subscribe to this self serving mentality that you 'worked hard' to do whatever it is that you do even though I'm sure you're from a place where you got a head start on life by having a middle class upbringing, access to health care and education and a fairly stable home and your mother wasn't, for example, a smack addict and you didn't struggle on the daily to be fed

Wrong assumption......

[Tootles]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

And then the bootstrapper says:

"Yeah well what about that one famous guy who had drug addict parents and is now a millionaire"

Coming from a self professed mommy and daddy still pay my bills person, yet you still are unable to be successful. Oh yea....you have mental problems. Good thing no other people with mental issues are successful people too.

[Tootles]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i like it when i hear it in the office

"i'm working hard"
you're fucking seated

Well yea....they are seated. You can work hard seated, and you can slack off seated. You are the slack off.

[Tootles]

[quote=Trotskilicious;4143395]i'm not racist............

[Elphenor]

Why are non-whites on average drastically poorer than whites?

[Elphenor]

Why is the number one indicator of where you will end up economically the social class you were born into?

[Tootles]

You are right guys.....it can't be done. What class you are born into, you are stuck for life. You win.

[Tootles]

Oh yea...except for Elf. He is the one exception. Middle class parents. Bills paid. Yet he STILL BITCHES AND COMPLAINS!!!!!!! And yet we wonder why he is unsuccessful in life.

[Tootles]

Because the MAN is holding him down still!!!!