What's your strangest hobby?

[Starla]

I might watch that later elph.

Here's one I couldn't get out of my mind that creeps me out about camping up here. Sorry it's wiki, I'm in a hurry now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Meirhofer

I think I first heard about this on 20/20 many years back.... the guy stole the daughter out of the family tent, and kidnaps her. One year later, he phones the mother.... I wouldn't mind finding the interview with Marietta Jaeger again.

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by reprise85

This one is pretty bad too: http://web.archive.org/web/200812040...s/fish/17.html

'round '05 i had an albert fish quote as my location: His little monkey was as sweet as a nut, but his pee-wees I could not chew

[teh b0lly!!1]

Originally Posted by Starla

It's going to be a couple days before I can get that transcript out of my mind. I wonder if someone has the audio u/l online somewhere.

There are some psychos on YouTube reading it out loud, more for their own fucked up gratification than educational (for lack of better word) purposes

I did stumble upon a small excerpt in some Nat Geo documentary also on YouTube and it sounds exactly like you'd expect if you'd seen his picture

Terrifyingly cold, as if he's telling you how to cook a stew, with a southern accent

[teh b0lly!!1]

I had read about pretty much all the major serial killers and to be frank they all pale in comparison to this guy, even the worst ones

Sexual predators in general I think are much worse than murderers

[teh b0lly!!1]

They relish in humiliation, carving the humanity out of a person through torture across long periods of time, which is by far the worst part

[toase]

Yeah, I'm not reading that

[Elijah Moon]

I wrote to David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) a few years ago, but he didn't reply. I've heard he just sends out lots of religious pamphlets anyway, seeing how he's all born again.

[morespsoon]

How did this thread go so horribly wrong?

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

'round '05 i had an albert fish quote as my location: His little monkey was as sweet as a nut, but his pee-wees I could not chew

One of my favorite quotes.

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by morespsoon

How did this thread go so horribly wrong?

YOu asked people about the strange things they liked........

[The exploding boy]

the transcript of those tapes. Just some guy getting off on hearing himself talk... I know the difference is that it happened and all but it's not much different from a lot of awful porn stories i came cross online back in the days. I think this guy was probably beating it as he recorded this. I dunno. Maybe i AM a sociopath? A tale of the victims might have been hard to read. This is jut some guy fucking rambling for ever repeating the same stuff over and over because he gets off on thinking about it. It was hard to finish just because to was so rambly. Maybe i HAVE watched too much ID... I wasnt thinking of how sick it was more than how pathetic he was. hes trying to scare, trying to make himself into more than he is. To terrify the victims before they even see him.

Somehow one of the most terrifying story i heard about is also on the surface very tame compared to a lot of other murders. It happened in montreal in 1979. There had been a series of rapes on the south shore area, no murders, just rapes committed by two guys. Some time in july two 14 years old kids, a couple, were walking back from an outdoors concert, they were crossing Jacques Cartier bridge. This is the biggest bridge montreal's got, one of those big suspended thing high above he water, crossing by foot you're walking under the bridge. The two guys followed them, the girl was raped there while the boy was held. when they were finished, they threw them off the bridge alive. It's was so cold blooded and just..i dunno..the randomness and half assedness of the whole thing (they hadn't planned to kill them, or even rape anyone that night). And the fact they victims young, innocent first love and all...And big bridges kinda terrify me..then there's death by drowning. This is one of the killers transcript i just bothered translating from french (again warning if this sort of thing is hard to read for you):

"The girl was naked except for her panties and she was hiding her breasts with her hands. Then Gilles told me, "it's your turn". I fucked the girl and after i told her to put her clothes back on. Then Gilles told the guy to sit on the beam under the bridge, above the water and he told him "Say a prayer because you're gonna die" The kid cried and begged and said "if you want to kill me, don't throw me off now, kill me first"

Then Gilles took out a rope an he wrapped it around the kid's neck and tightened. The kid was struggling. Gilles tightened harder but he was having trouble. Then the kid started to pass out and Gilles pushed him off.

The boy hit the water and the girl said "you promised you wouldn't kill us" I said, "you just saw us kill him, i can't let you go". I grabbed her from behind. She tried to fight me off, i grabbed her neck to strangle her. I couldn't, she was fighting back too much. I told Gilles "I can't do it, she fights too much". Gilles said "cover her nose and mouth" Then Gilles tried to do it too but then I just picked her up and threw her off the bridge."

It was determined they hit the water alive, they died of drowning. The unfortunate thing about this story too was that they two guys were caught hours after in the area...before anything had been reported. The story is that there was a lot of police in the area because of the other rapes. They had also just mugged some women. basically the police already knew who they were looking for. When they killed the two kids they took the 2 bucks they had then they went to eat at a pizzeria... The cops just found them a bit too late. They got life with no parole for 25 years. They admitted the whole reason they committed rapes was just because they had "problems with girls and couldn't get laid". No story of control, sadism, etc. Nope. They just couldn't get laid...

It made the news again many years later because a documentary was made about the parents of the girl who went to see one of the killers in prison and became very close to him eventually pretty much becoming his surrogate parents... they were religious loonies, of course (saying things such as "god came and took her, it was her time" and claiming the day the first met and hugged one of her killer in jail was "the best day of our lives"). I'm sure their daughter would like to hear this.

A few days ago on ID there was this story of a dad who killed his wife and kids. He killed his kids by tying weight to their feet and throwing them off a bridge alive..........this reminded me of this. I mean i find it more disturbing, tossing people like garbage, then actually just you know...torture and all. With torture or stabbing or what not there's the acknowledgment of the victims. That's what gets them off. But tossing someone off a bridge alive is just so much colder...so uncaring of the persons. Like they're just garbage to be disposed of. I guess that's what gets me more. Imagine the sheer terror of being 8 and watching your dad tie weights to your feet and then drive you to a bridge. pick you up and throw you off... what must have went on in that car...what must have been said. You cant even fathom. Parents often at least have mercy when they kill their kids, they do it so the kid doenst even know whats happening. Kill them in their sleep, or fast, a bullet, drug them first. Something like that. But this...

[teh b0lly!!1]

I don't think you really read the transcripts
Then again if you're so disturbed by a couple of jackoffs killing two kids you probably shouldn't

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by morespsoon

I think that should be open to each individual's interpretation.

okay, then.

[yo soy el mejor]

i like to hold tim's hand. sometimes i hold it up to my face and study it.

[The exploding boy]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

I don't think you really read the transcripts
Then again if you're so disturbed by a couple of jackoffs killing two kids you probably shouldn't

I did read them. The whole of it. Why would i pretend?

i explained why i thought this above case was disturbing more to me. The callousness. That disturbs me more. More than someone planning a murder or torturing and raping for days and all that. that guy didn't go as far as murdering them, he even said the physical damage wouldn't be permanent (the psychological of course is a lot more). It was solely a sexual thing. I mean its horrible of course, but it's more easily explainable. Like i said at the end of my above post, i find it more disturbing when the murderers barely acknowledge the victims as people. A guy like the rapist who chained these girls for months is very much acknowledging the victims, it's their helplessness he likes, that means acknowledgment. That's what he gets off on. Their fear, their pain their humiliation. People who randomly kill without rage without even planning it disturb me a LOT more personally. These guys killed these two kids on a whim pretty much. That's scary to me.

[slunken]

I'll piss on Radiohead

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

fuck reprise
i'm only starting out and this is the most cold blooded, cruel thing i've ever read
and i share the serial killer\fucked up wiki thing

i hope i'm not out of line but you really shouldn't be reading this shit with what you went through

you're right, i shouldn't be.

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

god and this fucking guy just got away with it
every bit of it

he died before his trial essentially

i'm having a meltdown
this world is so fucking horrible i just can't take it

it's okay man, it fucking sucks that he got away with it and it is horrible. the worst thing i think about people like this is that they seem so fucking normal, like normal people and then you open their lives up and they've tortured 100 people and you just want them to stick out like sore thumbs but they just don't...

i think i have the most problems with that. i fear the 'long con' and which essential means i can never trust someone because i'm never sure they aren't waiting for me to let my guard down to con/hurt me. people who are just brutal like this dude, sure they bother me, but he's a maniac who kidnapped strangers. what really haunts me are the people you know who you think you can trust and then they abuse you. or replace people with groups/cults

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

I did read them. The whole of it. Why would i pretend?

i explained why i thought this above case was disturbing more to me. The callousness. That disturbs me more. More than someone planning a murder or torturing and raping for days and all that. that guy didn't go as far as murdering them, he even said the physical damage wouldn't be permanent (the psychological of course is a lot more). It was solely a sexual thing. I mean its horrible of course, but it's more easily explainable. Like i said at the end of my above post, i find it more disturbing when the murderers barely acknowledge the victims as people. A guy like the rapist who chained these girls for months is very much acknowledging the victims, it's their helplessness he likes, that means acknowledgment. That's what he gets off on. Their fear, their pain their humiliation. People who randomly kill without rage without even planning it disturb me a LOT more personally. These guys killed these two kids on a whim pretty much. That's scary to me.

A cold, quick death is probably preferable to living with the psychological scars from being raped and tortured for 3 months by several people and a dog. In my opinion.

The sexual-torture-murderers (i'd put parker ray in there even though he didn't kill all of them) bother me the most for sure. It isn't even really about sex, it's about inflicting pain and being basically a God over somebody else. He probably got off more by not killing them and thinking that they are back in the world and will have to deal with what he did to them forever.

[reprise85]

i know you say the other case is more disturbing to you, but this guy was so callous that he is like post-callous. the other dudes sound like run of the mill sociopaths. ray was a sadistic psychopath. he could kill people like those other two did, and probably did kill people on a whim sometimes without planning it, but he would rather fuck up someone's life forever and get off on that knowledge (admittedly i don't know that for sure but i know the type).

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by slunken

I'll piss on Radiohead

show me the cuckold

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by reprise85

A cold, quick death is probably preferable to living with the psychological scars from being raped and tortured for 3 months by several people and a dog. In my opinion.

word.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

hes trying to scare, trying to make himself into more than he is. To terrify the victims before they even see him.

i do think this is a very relevant point, however

[slunken]

has there been any confirmation that the dog was used? just curious...


also curious as to how transportation worked between the actual toybox and the home. and what was the other place he described - the playpen or something? how do all of those spaces interact?

[slunken]

like it might be sad or sadistic but i read the transcripts and i'm mostly interested in his workflow

also slightly interested in these "homemade torture devices"

[slunken]

what makes this completely insane to me is he obviously had a video archive and yet its very unclear or classified how long this had been going on.

[slunken]

i mean when you get down to legal brass tacks he was only involved with less than a handful of "sex slaves"

like - did he only get caught because he introduced his new g/f into the mix?

[slunken]

Originally Posted by slunken

what makes this completely insane to me is he obviously had a video archive and yet its very unclear or classified how long this had been going on.

and it obviously had to have been going on for much longer than anyone can corroborate

[slunken]

i know everybody else has chimed in with similar sentiments but i also have been researching this sort of criminal taboo stuff from an early age.

it all started with bonnie and clyde and then john dillinger and then suddenly jeff dahmer happens

[toase]

Originally Posted by Poots

This thread is extremely unhealthy. You have to be careful, psychologically.

Yep

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by slunken

what makes this completely insane to me is he obviously had a video archive and yet its very unclear or classified how long this had been going on.

Originally Posted by slunken

i mean when you get down to legal brass tacks he was only involved with less than a handful of "sex slaves"

like - did he only get caught because he introduced his new g/f into the mix?

Originally Posted by slunken

and it obviously had to have been going on for much longer than anyone can corroborate

these are valid questions. he seems to have been almost perfect in his crimes except for the woman who got away. his trust in others is what fucked him over in the end, which is sort of fitting. his use of amnesia-inducing drugs likely really did confuse a lot of women. i wouldnt be surprised if some of those women recounted their stories to others and got labelled as psychotic or simply liars because of 1) the content of course 2) their fractured recall 3) the fact that the drugs may have caused memories to be more chaotic than normally recalled memories

i honestly think it's possible that what he did to many of these women resulted in death, if not from his own hand than from their own or from their attempts at forgetting what happened (drug overdoses etc). also wouldn't be surprised if some of them labelled as psychotic and locked away because of the extremeness of their "delusions" or whatever. it is also possible that this experience did indeed induce latent psychotic or mood disorders in victims. it is very likely of course that they got PTSD and dissociative disorders are also probable.

of course this is speculation but i've seen how people react when subjected to this type of torture and, while responses are varied, they will very likely have long term mental health issues. i knew one person from inpatient PTSD treatment that had sort of a similar story. was abducted by 4-5 people, abused for weeks or months, left naked in the woods at the end of it. i dont know much more details than that. scary shit. she was in her 20s when it happened. most of the other people i met had abuse starting in childhood, usually from family members and often later from partners