On a scale of 1 - 10 how would you rate hysteria about Islam in your country?

[Trotskilicious]

where's my axe i need to get my development on, chop some lumber and shit

[null123]

Go tend to your weed and porn habits

[Trotskilicious]

hey gotta figure out how to kill the pain of not being a real man somehow

[Trotskilicious]

arrested development after all, not being the catholic definition of maleness

[Trotskilicious]

i bet it'll really help to stop male abuse and violence by propping up traditional masculinity

makes sense

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

how do they do that?

are you talking about gamergaters or are you talking about elphenor and probably me and any male feminist at all

Male feminist here, although I tend to actually refer to myself as a decolonialist, because that's the new version of feminism that actually is getting change made.

I subscribe to actual feminism, not the liberal pseudo-feminism you hear eschewed by idiots like Beyonce and on Gawker.

Feminism was about making the female gender and sex equal to the male gender and sex. Now it's about making all oppressed equal with the oppressor. It's not about "oh yeah I HATE MEN" it's about "hey, we should all be nice to each other." Somewhere along the line, a twisted version of Dworkin (who would NOT agree with modern day feminism) and other radical feminists co-opted feminism and turned it into "let's lower men to the place that women once took" instead of "let's raise EVERYONE TO THE SAME LEVEL" like the movement intended.

Because fuck you, Elphy. I'm a man by sex, "male" gender, but I can fight for feminism. Guess what? I'm submissive in bed, haven't raped anyone (except by admiring the female body, if you agree with rape culture BS) and am not afraid to show emotion. Yet, I'm still a masculine man.

What you believe, Elphy, is an abortion of radical feminism, and what trots believes is what Gawker and Tumblr shit out. Transtrender bullshit.

[null123]

It's called prudence and responsibility and discipline
I know enough sensitive poet rapists and deadbeats to know "being emotional" isn't the virtue your sex needs to work on

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

It's called prudence and responsibility and discipline
I know enough sensitive poet rapists and deadbeats to know "being emotional" isn't the virtue your sex needs to work on

It's pretty funny how despite gender roles being shitty and outdated (according to Elphy) he's saying the male gender can't show emotion...so he's propping up these "outdated" genders.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

It's called prudence and responsibility and discipline

these aren't masculine qualities

i got two of those, anyway

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

these aren't masculine qualities

i got two of those, anyway

According to people who believe in the "male" gender role and that definition of masculinity, yeah.

[Trotskilicious]

you're right, discipline isn't one of my strong area but i did quit smoking cigs

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by ninsp

According to people who believe in the "male" gender role and that definition of masculinity, yeah.

if that's what goddamn idiots like you think then that means that women don't have those qualities as they aren't "feminine" and shouldn't bother with developing them

which is regressive idiocy

[null123]

I think we should all work to embody those traits but I was saying men (and women in our own way) are using feminism as a means to evade growing up to become those things

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by ninsp

M
Feminism was about making the female gender and sex equal to the male gender and sex. Now it's about making all oppressed equal with the oppressor. It's not about "oh yeah I HATE MEN" it's about "hey, we should all be nice to each other." Somewhere along the line, a twisted version of Dworkin (who would NOT agree with modern day feminism) and other radical feminists co-opted feminism and turned it into "let's lower men to the place that women once took" instead of "let's raise EVERYONE TO THE SAME LEVEL" like the movement intended.

lol okay

[null123]

At the same time norms and ideals are necessary, for whatever downsides they have (not getting to feel all self actualized and whatever) the alternative is much worse

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

lol okay

It's okay, I know you're out of your element and your idiotic beliefs are collapsing. It's cool. That's the first step to becoming a good person.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

I think we should all work to embody those traits but I was saying men (and women in our own way) are using feminism as a means to evade growing up to become those things

i don't know if that's true necessarily, i mean at every level there's people who cherry pick philosophy to serve their own needs. Rich guys and objectivism is a great example.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

At the same time norms and ideals are necessary, for whatever downsides they have (not getting to feel all self actualized and whatever) the alternative is much worse

It's funny, because people who believe in Elphy's bullshit claim to support transgender people. Except their entire thing is dysphoria, gender roles are innate to being a human. LOL.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I'm assuming that the part of feminism that bugs you is the "Men suck" part which is totally part of feminism for me just we're talking about the male gender and not the sex.

Basically feminists don't like that society has built into it a celebration of stupid barbaric douchebaggery with shit like "Be a MAN" and "Don't be a bitch"

Society would greatly benefit if we were all more "female"

Edit: Addressed to NINSP

So dysphoria don't real?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

At the same time norms and ideals are necessary

sorta, if you're talking about useful traits like that

if we're talking about "traditional masculinity" in the way that i see it, i don't think anyone should be repressed because their personalities don't fall in line with a traditional structure

obviously this doesn't mean that being a wackoff parasite is some kind of lifestyle choice but women should be able to be "masculine" and men should be able to be "feminine" and vice versa if they feel most comfortable that way and really nobody should have to be assigned to a particular archetype at birth.

there's nothing wrong with being masculine as a man, either. Of course when it becomes overly aggressive and violent then it's an issue.

But I still think assigning these values to particular gendered constructs isn't productive

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

sorta, if you're talking about useful traits like that

if we're talking about "traditional masculinity" in the way that i see it, i don't think anyone should be repressed because their personalities don't fall in line with a traditional structure

obviously this doesn't mean that being a wackoff parasite is some kind of lifestyle choice but women should be able to be "masculine" and men should be able to be "feminine" and vice versa if they feel most comfortable that way and really nobody should have to be cosigned to a particular archetype at birth.

there's nothing wrong with being masculine as a man, either. Of course when it becomes overly aggressive and violent then it's an issue.

But I still think assigning these values to particular gendered constructs isn't productive

so you don't support transgender people, then

[Trotskilicious]

this guy would contradict me if i posted something he agreed with

[reprise85]

isnt it funny that a lot of the euphamisms for male masturbation have violent language like

beating your meat
spanking your monkey
choking the chicken

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by reprise85

isnt it funny that a lot of the euphamisms for male masturbation have violent language like

beating your meat
spanking your monkey
choking the chicken

it's an inherently violent act tho

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

this guy would contradict me if i posted something he agreed with

what you're saying is that gender roles are outdated.

well then why do transgender people exist if there's not a sort of validity to feelings of gender?

[Eulogy]

charmbag is actually a practicing catholic now? Mercy.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by ninsp

what you're saying is that gender roles are outdated.

well then why do transgender people exist if there's not a sort of validity to feelings of gender?

This is quite a leap you make here.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

This is quite a leap you make here.

not really, considering trots and Elphy have said that many times.

Gender is real, and there is an innately human-ness effect to gender based off of testosterone and estrogen. Facts. And sometimes imbalances cause people to feel that they were born with the wrong body for their gender.

Thus by saying gender don't real, Elphy and trots are invalidating transgender.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by ninsp

not really, considering trots and Elphy have said that many times.

Gender is real, and there is an innately human-ness effect to gender based off of testosterone and estrogen. Facts. And sometimes imbalances cause people to feel that they were born with the wrong body for their gender.

Thus by saying gender don't real, Elphy and trots are invalidating transgender.

Neither said that gender is not real. They said gender roles as they are currently understood are out of date. Which is true.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by reprise85

isnt it funny that a lot of the euphamisms for male masturbation have violent language like

beating your meat
spanking your monkey
choking the chicken

i dunno if anyone really uses these tho