Zimmerman Trial Thread

[Trotskilicious]

i think most people base beliefs on feelings

[yo soy el mejor]

that's it? come on with that.

[duovamp]

Remember that time when we all learned our lesson about feeding that troll?

Remember that?

[yo soy el mejor]

why you get so angry when i post anything directed at trots? you're a sad, strange little man, man.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Remember that time when we all learned our lesson about feeding that troll?

Remember that?

i forgot did it have something to do with sandwiches maybe?

Originally Posted by duovamp

Remember that time when we all learned our lesson about feeding that troll?

Remember that?

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

why you get so angry when i post anything directed at trots? you're a sad, strange little man, man.

yeah, but he was taking about omega

[Starla]

Maybe if they take guns away this would not have happened.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

former public school teacher gee i wonder what happened there

Private schools and music.


I couldn't breathe in a public school atmosphere after a while. Between the NCLB act and the current Common Core curriculum brainwash, it became impossible for me to deal with it because the only reason to hold on was for the pension.

Faustian choice at that point. Do I seem like a company/bureaucratic yes man to you? There are plenty of teachers who know the score and wish/dream they could get out. Between family, mortgages and Lexus payments however, most can't.

[Starla]

TOC are you married and/or have children?

[Trotskilicious]

lexus payments huh

[Bread Regal]

That's because teachers are overpaid.

They don't wanna lose out on that cold hard teachin' cash.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by I'm Hardcore

i mean Republicans really pave the way forward with their critical thought

your kinda proving my point here. Political parties are not directly aligned with political philosophies anymore, though I know most still consider Lib = Dem Conservative = Rep.


Both philosophies in U.S. politics have been hijacked in recent years. Liberals have been masquerading as freedom loving type hippies for decades now with this "progressive" mode of thought on the way Forward...euphemisms for communism each, though most leftist today don't even know that because of what I mentioned earlier about the brainwashed teachers.


RenewRevive touches upon this aspect of group-think by noting how some liberal positions among liberals are not debatable.

[Trotskilicious]

leftists, progressives and radicals fight amongst each other constantly

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

That's because teachers are overpaid.

They don't wanna lose out on that cold hard teachin' cash.

That old tenet of underpaid teachers doesn't really fly anymore in this new economy where State workers now have the higher wages and much better benefits than their private sector counterparts.


When I first got into teaching in the late 90's I was at a school district that chose to strike for better pay. I wasn't the only teacher that was against the pay rise, just the only one that spoke to the Union reps in a way that was real. Like, hey dumbshits, these measures your pushing for are going to cost this school about a dozen jobs in the end, do you have any plan for those people who will be inevitably be laid off.


Was a I listened to? of course not. Was I right? Of course I was. I left that district when they voted for the increase and saw the carnage the next year from somewhere else.


Let's not discuss state worker unfunded pension liabilities here, no need to get us all depressed.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah lets just give up and vote ron paul

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

leftists, progressives and radicals fight amongst each other constantly

radicals could be in any persuasion. Leftist and Progressives is redundant.


But give me an example of what you say if you can.


For instance, you have a clear distinction now in the Republican party just this week:


Gov. Christie calling out libertarians as a danger.


Rand Paul calling out Christie as a sad sack to suggest such a thing.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Starla

TOC are you married and/or have children?

heck no. Nothing against it for those so inclined. My parents however divorced when I was 20. Through my 20's I let two relationships with some real nice girls fizzle out as a result.

[I'm Hardcore]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

That's because teachers are overpaid.

no thank you

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

heck no. Nothing against it for those so inclined. My parents however divorced when I was 20. Through my 20's I let two relationships with some real nice girls fizzle out as a result.

iz a conspiracy!

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

That old tenet of underpaid teachers doesn't really fly anymore in this new economy where State workers now have the higher wages and much better benefits than their private sector counterparts.


When I first got into teaching in the late 90's I was at a school district that chose to strike for better pay. I wasn't the only teacher that was against the pay rise, just the only one that spoke to the Union reps in a way that was real. Like, hey dumbshits, these measures your pushing for are going to cost this school about a dozen jobs in the end, do you have any plan for those people who will be inevitably be laid off.


Was a I listened to? of course not. Was I right? Of course I was. I left that district when they voted for the increase and saw the carnage the next year from somewhere else.


Let's not discuss state worker unfunded pension liabilities here, no need to get us all depressed.

livin high off the hog.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

radicals could be in any persuasion. Leftist and Progressives is redundant.


But give me an example of what you say if you can.


For instance, you have a clear distinction now in the Republican party just this week:


Gov. Christie calling out libertarians as a danger.


Rand Paul calling out Christie as a sad sack to suggest such a thing.

if the parties aren't representative why do you keep talking about them like they prove your point

[Trotskilicious]

i'm so bored i need a girlfriend

[duovamp]

Does it pay well?

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

we seriously fight each other over absolutely fucking everything

however, nobody respects opinions based on bullshit and not logic

you need to take your US-centred head out of your ass and read what I wrote. I am talking specifically about the UK. are you with me?

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you know like "what is the value of multiculturalism" from dickheads

i mean there's a reason people say you're a dickhead it's because you are i mean i'm just saying there's no reason to respect someone who's like "WHY DO I HAVE TO RESPECT PACKIS THEY SHOULD BE ENGLISH, JESUS."

okay, now I don't even know if you're calling me a dickhead or what. whatever, you prove my point with this mud-slinging reactionary nonsense. I am saying that multiculturasim is probably a failure in the UK as cities with large immigration over the last 60 years have not become the melting-pot utopia predicted, but are instead divisive, ghettoised. how is this any measure of success? please explain, because I actually AM prepared to listen. I have a position but AM prepared to be argued out of it. in your stream-of-conciousness posting you offer not one counter, just generalization, insults. you don't know me at all and in fact are laughably off the mark with your bullshit. my best friend at Uni was a Pakistani immigrant. do you even know any? and wtf does assimilation have to do with multicultarism? it's the fucking opposite.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i mean i just knew it was gonna be something like that. i don't even have the patience to explain to you what a HUGE PACK OF DICKS the english have been FOR GENERATIONS to everyone that ISN'T ENGLISH

they're supposed to represent your blue nose posh bullshit but you get to disrespect everything about their culture? FUCK ENGLAND ERIN GO BRAGH

ah, so it's not racist to make ignorant statements re: the english? right. tbh our record on immigration compares favourably with yours and most other western countries. our press is FAR more critical and independent. we voluntarily highlight our failings, unlike many. the army intervened in N. Ireland on behalf of the Catholics (btw I am one and at least half-Irish genetically) only to get bogged down in that sectarian quagmire. compared to the US/Israel approach in such situations the Army basically were neutered and occupied the role of moving target for decades. hell, we even prosecuted soldiers for killing terrorists wandering onto Gibraltar with the intent of bombing civilian targets. so hey, fuck you and your irish-American shite. again, multicultarism has been the de facto policy in this country for decades. it does not work. it produces ghettos hostile or antipathetic to the host culture. trots, you are a fool. I come from a working-class background, from a northern city. I was the 1st member of my family to attend Uni. you have no clue what you are on about.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

heck no. Nothing against it for those so inclined. My parents however divorced when I was 20. Through my 20's I let two relationships with some real nice girls fizzle out as a result.

My parents never divorced, although they probably should have at some point. Despite all this, I'm very unlucky with relationships.

[pavementtune]

Correct me if I'm wrong, renew, but what you're talking about is the failure of ghettos, and not multiculturalism per se.

[Dead Frequency]

Classism exists, and racial/nationality/etc. divisiveness is a byproduct of that fact. Sociologically our world has become more complex over the course of our existence, but there is always a standard that is maintained. We're as simple as we are complicated.

Also regurgerevive how you gonna talk about nonsense stream of conciousness attacks or whatever the shit and then respond in exactly the same way? Are you out for a piss or sommat?

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

Correct me if I'm wrong, renew, but what you're talking about is the failure of ghettos, and not multiculturalism per se.

no you are partly correct in that assumption. but does not multiculturalism anticipate the tendency of immigrants to form ghettos and seek to form ties between varying groups? in the UK (and I expect most (all?) western european countries) relations between immigrant groups and non-white minorities are not exactly rosy either, so it's not just a problem with the base host population being intolerant (although this obviously a significant factor). there's clearly a trend to ghettoize across the board - for example the cluster of fairly affluent ex-pat Brits in Spain, who don't speak Spanish, engage much with the locals and build little "retirement" villages; essentially behaving almost as if they are on an extended holiday!

i have experienced both extremes personally. i grew up in a working-class estate that must have been 99.99% white - a total monoculture. at college I lived for 3 years in one of the most multicultural areas of manchester. did i see a lot of integration there? not really. most non-south asians were students and there wasn't much interaction with the "indian/pakistani" locals - although my landlord was a pakistani businessman.

as far as immigration is concerned, the governing elite care not whether the working/under-class is white or otherwise. they have zero common ground with the "plebs" anyhow and no interaction at all.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by Dead Frequency

Classism exists, and racial/nationality/etc. divisiveness is a byproduct of that fact. Sociologically our world has become more complex over the course of our existence, but there is always a standard that is maintained. We're as simple as we are complicated.

true, if a bit vague. the nation-state essentially was the pinnacle of monoculture development (immigrant countries like the US and most of the "new world" being a little different) and is having to deal with the consequences of globalization, multiculturalism engendered by large population movements taking advantage of vast differences wealth / political stability etc. the old models of absorption and suppression of new cultures does not work or would be politically disastrous, but the new models either do not work or are failing. the crumbling of the multiculturalist ideal in the Netherlands was the first unmistakable signpost of this (re: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...f-Britain.html

Also regurgerevive how you gonna talk about nonsense stream of conciousness attacks or whatever the shit and then respond in exactly the same way? Are you out for a piss or sommat?

not at all. i'm genuinely surprised you see any similarity in my post and trots' tbh. i'd not intended to get personal in any way, but he hit some raw spots, so it is what it is.