Boston Marathon Bombing Thread

[D.]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Just because it might piss you off...

A Poem for Dzhokhar
by Amanda Fucking Palmer

you don’t know how it felt to be in the womb but it must have been at least a little warmer than this.

you don’t know how intimately they’re recording your every move on closed-circuit cameras until you see your face reflected back at you through through the pulp.

you don’t know how to stop picking at your fingers.

you don’t know how little you’ve been paying attention until you look down at your legs again.

you don’t know how many times you can say you’re coming until they just stop believing you.

you don’t know how orgasmic the act of taking in a lungful of oxygen is until they hold your head under the water.

you don’t know how many vietnamese soft rolls to order.

you don’t know how convinced your parents were that having children would be, absolutely, without question, the correct thing to do.

you don’t know how precious your iphone battery time was until you’re hiding in the bottom of the boat.

you don’t know how to get away from your fucking parents.

you don’t know how it’s possible to feel total compassion in one moment and total disconnection in the next moment.

you don’t know how things could change so incredibly fast.

you don’t know how to make something, but the instructions are on the internet.

you don’t know how to make sense of this massive parade.

you don’t know how to believe anyone anymore.

you don’t know how to tell the girl in the chair next to you that you’ve been peeking at her dissertation draft and there’s a grammatical typo in the actual file name.

you don’t know how to explain yourself.

you don’t want two percent but it’s all they have.

you don’t know how claustrophobic your house is until you can’t leave it.

you don’t know why you let that guy go without shooting him dead and stuffing him in some bushes between cambridge and watertown.

you don’t know where your friends went.

you don’t know how to dance but you give it a shot anyway.

you don’t know how your life managed to move twenty six miles forward and twenty eight miles back.

you don’t know how to pay your debts.

you don’t know how to separate from this partnership to escape and finally breathe.

you don’t know how come people run their goddamn knees into the ground anyway.

you don’t know how to measure the value of the twenty dollar bill clutched in your hurting hand.

you don’t know how you walked into this trap so obliviously.

you don’t know how to adjust the rearview mirror.

you don’t know how to mourn your dead brother.

you don’t know how to drive this car.

you don’t know the way to new york.

you don’t know the way to new york.

you don’t know the way to new york.

you don’t know the way to new york.

http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130421/

we have a really unfunny radio station round here called THE BUZZ and, while they put on some really good free shows and also bring some awesome bands into town, they also think they are funny and super-sh0ck. anyway, they did a response poem culled from tweets and their own unfunny minds. It's kind of funny at the beginning and then gets less funny and less funny.

A Poem for Amanda Palmer (you don’t know)

Written by: Afentra’s Big Fat Morning Buzz (on the Alternative 96.5 the Buzz, Kansas City) Genius and Attractive Listeners

you don’t know how it feels to have to choose paper or plastic
you don’t know if Ann Frank was a Belieber
you don’t know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop
you don’t know what it’s like behind blue eyes
you don’t know who’s your baby daddy
you don’t know you are NOT the father
you don’t know how many cats it takes to make Vietnamese soft rolls
you don’t know why Amanda Palmer calls them “soft rolls” instead of “spring roll”
you don’t know what I did last summer, so stop pretending
you don’t know what it’s like to only have 12 followers
you don’t know the pain of choosing salad, then wanting soup instead as the waiter walks away
you don’t know why people like Mumford and Sons
you don’t know why your check engine light keeps coming on
you don’t know me. A song by Ben Folds featuring Regina Spektor
you don’t know how many pints are in a gallon
you don’t know most of the words to that Alt_J song either
you don’t know what it’s like to haiku
you don’t know if you will ever get google fiber
you don’t know how hard it is to smoke yourself to the point of having to turn up the volume on the TV to taste your food
you don’t know if it is just a cold sore
you don’t know whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable
you don’t know if that’s really your air filter at Jiffy Lube
you don’t know the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares whose sides are the two legs
you don’t know Keyzer Söze
you don’t know what Eddie Vetter is saying either
you don’t know the muffin man
you don’t know what the Rock is cookin’
you don’t know what to do with wide ruled notebook paper
you don’t know how many McChickens to order at 3am
you don’t know what its like to be the 16th best radio station in Kansas City
you don’t know how many people think they were the first to think of the Tootsie Pop tweet
you don’t what you’re talking about Wilis
you don’t what you’re talking about Wilis
you don’t what you’re talking about Wilis
you don’t what you’re talking about Wilis

[soniclovenoize]

Ha some of those are gigglers.

[pavementtune]

Ann Frank

[Trotskilicious]

amanda palmer is possibly the hipster archetype

i mean there's so much clueless privledged shit oozing out of that thing

i can understand sympathy for dzhokhar but what is this shit about grammatical typos in the file name i mean seriously what planet is she on

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i can understand sympathy for dzhokhar

what

[Trotskilicious]

and you deny you're judgemental

[Starla]

Eddie Vetter

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

Really WHAT, TOC? I quoted Reuters saying they were not able to confirm the NBC story, I don't see what point you're trying to make here. That the FBI interviewed the older in 2011 because Russia alarmed them has been in the news for days now.

What I'm interested in is if the younger one - interrogated in hospital - was tube-waterboarded to nod a confession.

oh, I was acting incredulous to the notion they acted alone, ergo, they've likely drugged him James Holmes style to get him to say anything they want.


But come on, sonic -- the FBI isn't this stupid, negligent or incompetent to have all these oversights:


The Older brother chilled in Russia for six months. The FBI had to admit yesterday they missed the trip because they misspelled his name.




FBI missed Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Russia trip because of misspelling, Sen. Lindsey Graham says

“One of two things happened,” Mr. Graham said. “The FBI either dropped the ball or our system doesn’t allow the FBI to follow this guy in an appropriate fashion.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...use-misspelli/




I disagree with Sen. Graham, there are several things that could have happened here.

[The Omega Concern]

It's one thing if Debka goes off and throws a double-agent theory into the mix. it's the angle I've been most following...


It's another when an ex-FBI agent does so:









This is Sibel Edmonds. She's an Iranian born former translator for the FBI. She founded the national security whistleblowers coalition. She was fired for accusing an associate of covering up intelligence that jeopardized national security before 911. She's the real deal, got brass balls and calls out the disinfo for what it is.

[sppunk]

Funny, DT is reported to be a InfoWars believer. Lost the link but ill fund it later tomorrow when I get a chance.

[Ol' Couch Ass]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

amanda palmer is possibly the hipster archetype

Their self-titled album is a guilty pleasure for me but her nonsense makes it hard to enjoy.

[The Omega Concern]

infowars believer?


what does that mean?


he's got the same issue as Michelle Obama, fraternizing with suspected terrorist. Alex Jones is gonna be on the hot seat soon. watch it.

[The Omega Concern]

oh shit...



http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...nown-ab/nXT7x/


WASHINGTON —

Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss told Channel 2 Action News late Tuesday afternoon that a law enforcement agency may have had information in advance of the Boston bombings that wasn't properly shared.



things are getting all tenses. im seeing all sorts of division in the ranks right now...something big is up.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

But come on, sonic -- the FBI isn't this stupid, negligent or incompetent to have all these oversights:


The Older brother chilled in Russia for six months. The FBI had to admit yesterday they missed the trip because they misspelled his name.

They missed him renovate a house with relatives? Holy shit that's an unfathomable issue of national security, if he used a socket or a Phillips.

[pavementtune]

You usually stick to one place when renovating an apartment or not? He was all over the place.

Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the ranking Republican on the Senate intelligence committee, said the briefing raised questions about the flow of information among law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

"I think there has been some stonewalls, and some stovepipes reconstructed, that were probably unintentional, but we've got to review that issue again, and make sure there is the free flow of information," he said. "I can't say the FBI dropped the ball. I don't see anybody yet that dropped the ball," he said. "That may develop." The senators said there was tough questioning during the briefing.

"We had a full discussion back and forth over the process that's followed, and we need to keep at that, and we need to see if there are any loopholes in it, and that we fix those loopholes," said Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, who chairs the committee.

Lawmakers said they were unable to confirm an NBC report that the Tsarnaev brothers had been motivated by the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or speculation that they had used fireworks to provide the explosives used in their bombs.

Reuters

[soniclovenoize]

Maybe he had to run to the store to get some nails? I really have no idea.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

But come on, sonic -- the FBI isn't this stupid, negligent or incompetent to have all these oversights:

sure they are

[Starla]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

What I'm interested in is if the younger one - interrogated in hospital - was tube-waterboarded to nod a confession.

Where did you read this?

Trying to figure out when he was injured, because there are pics of him getting out of the boat with no blood on him anywhere.

[Starla]

Toc, don't you think Alex is cointelpro? I think if he were a valid threat, the govt would have shut him down years ago. lol

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

What I'm interested in is if the younger one - interrogated in hospital - was tube-waterboarded to nod a confession.

maybe my sarcasm meter's broken.. but the US doesn't waterboard anymore

[Future Boy]

sure they do

[Order 66]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...nterrogations/

With the signing of an executive order Thursday, President Obama put the U.S. military and CIA on the same page when it comes to interrogating prisoners captured in the war on terrorism.
President Obama on Thursday signs several orders, one of which dealt with interrogating terror suspects.

The order requires both U.S. military and paramilitary organizations to use the Army Field Manual as the guide on getting information from prisoners, moving away from the Bush administration tactics that were considered torture by many.

The manual also lays out what is not allowed, including the technique of waterboarding

[Future Boy]

oh yeah, like they'd tell us about it

[Order 66]

another intellectually exhausting retort by future boy

[Future Boy]

I was originally going to point out how Bush ended waterboarding, but why go serious and ruin my fun.

[cocksure]

using TOC logic, i have determined that there is a connection between this one and the historical tamerlane

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Starla

Where did you read this?

Trying to figure out when he was injured, because there are pics of him getting out of the boat with no blood on him anywhere.

No no, my tube-waterboarding comment was sarcasm. Although I still have my doubts about the confession. And how they got it (manuals didn't and still don't even prevent soldiers from pissing on corpses.) He nodded? I mean...

I heard about his injuries on BBC, some sort of injury (they didn't specify if gun inflicted) to the throat area, so they reported that he was or is inturbated and unable to speak.

[pavementtune]

Correction:
by now BBC is more specific about his injury and apparently he was able to speak. Once.

On Monday, a 10-page criminal complaint was filed against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev during a court hearing around his hospital bed.

According to a transcript of the hearing, he managed to speak once despite a gunshot wound to his throat sustained during his capture.

Anonymous officials have told US media that 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said he and his 26-year-old brother had planned the attack themselves without help from foreign militants. The officials say that his written answers lead them to believe the pair were motivated by jihadist ideology and had devised the bombings using the internet.

However, the sources also said the interviews were preliminary and they needed to verify the defendant's responses.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

They missed him renovate a house with relatives? Holy shit that's an unfathomable issue of national security, if he used a socket or a Phillips.

DHS threw the FBI under the bus today saying they knew of the older brothers trip to Russia.


News today also came out the Russians mentioned several times to the FBI about the dangers of the older brother and his visit to the region. btw, he visited the same Chechyan terrorist that is funded by the U.S. state department who in the past have been deemed 'freedom fighters' against the Russians.


I take no pleasure in the FBI having to retract and excuse themselves with implausible scenario's. I'm highly skeptical and rightly so. But the upshot is that there's division in the ranks and division and fighting between agencies, nothing new there of course, except the stakes have been raised to the most extreme levels.

[Starla]

Kind of surprised to see yahoo pick this up

http://news.yahoo.com/armed-dangerou...150625264.html

If it's true, then it explains a lot.