Boston Marathon Bombing Thread

[The Omega Concern]

A burning question for some Americans is whether our FBI was behind the cell or not. That issue is rather murky and dangerous territory to step into and it looks as if some in the mainstream want to leave themselves some wiggle room in case the FBI is complicit somehow in this bombing.


for the New York Times to even allow this opinion piece to be published is telling:


Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I



But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.




http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...anted=all&_r=0







Interesting to note it took the mother of these boys to first come with the fact the FBI had been in contact with the older son for years. Only after she came out with that, did the FBI admit it was true.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Starla

I don't get into this over the top patriotism. It feels disingenuous when we live in a country that still struggles to accept diversity in race, religion, and gay marriage. This reminds me of the night Obama announced that Bin Laden had been killed, and I was grossed out by that as well. I'm glad they caught this kid, but overall this is all really sad and celebrating feels weird.

Bonus points for the elites while Boston cheers the martial law status it took to pursue the suspects. Really, it couldn't have gone any better for them in that scene.

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Please understand reputations are being maid and tainted for the press by their investigations in this matter.

[soniclovenoize]

Omega is right. I don't know about you, but if I was framed by the feds as a bomber, the first thing I'd do is throw bombs at them in a high speed chase. That would surely prove my innocence.

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Omega is right. I don't know about you, but if I was framed by the feds as a bomber, the first thing I'd do is throw bombs at them in a high speed chase. That would surely prove my innocence.

Anything to discredit the real story is just misinformation.

[sppunk]

The scanner feed was never taken down. I had it on from around 9 a.m. to around 10:30 p.m. It was on ustream all day.

[soniclovenoize]

And by "real story" we mean the immense government conspiracy that planned and detonated the blasts of their own citizens and the framing of two individuals who just also happened to have explosives on them anyways, all for the purposes of A) creating a police-state for a mere 12 hours in one singular neighborhood and B) that the citizens wouldn't notice Obama signing bills that would have been signed anyways (all to the insane government costs of covering the expenses of 150 injured people all simultaneously needing emergency care, as well as three different police agencies all working in tandem), correct?

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Omega is right. I don't know about you, but if I was framed by the feds as a bomber, the first thing I'd do is throw bombs at them in a high speed chase. That would surely prove my innocence.

Is there any Evidence of the chase you speak to and them throwing things at the cops or anything that backs up the authorities claims to this instance?


I take it at this point your buying the story from the police that the younger brother ran over the older brother with the SUV. I'm skeptical myself.

How bout the younger one getting out of the boat seemingly bloodless and intact, yet photo's of him appear bloodied and beat up and now we're being told an injury occurred to his throat and he can't talk. Latest is his clinging to life.


At this rate I'd be surprised he makes out of that hospital alive. Whoever they really are and whatever it is they did, it appears somebody somewhere needs them silenced.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

And by "real story" we mean the immense government conspiracy that planned and detonated the blasts of their own citizens and the framing of two individuals who just also happened to have explosives on them anyways, all for the purposes of A) creating a police-state for a mere 12 hours in one singular neighborhood and B) that the citizens wouldn't notice Obama signing bills that would have been signed anyways (all to the insane government costs of covering the expenses of 150 injured people all simultaneously needing emergency care, as well as three different police agencies all working in tandem), correct?

Well yeah, CISPA did pass this week. It was voted down before, so your conjecture that it would of passed anyway is suspect and likely wrong.f



But even in your relative sarcasm here, at least your thinking through some angles even if you don't believe them.

Screw the flowery language, This Shit is DEEPER than you can imagine:

The conclusion reached by DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/T...to-terror-trap

The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.

They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.

Would love to know how the Obamatards can gloss over the DEPORTATION orders from the President for this Saudi National who was a 'person of interest' in the bombing, who is connected to the Royal House of Saud?

Don't worry Obamatards, Bush would have done the exact same thing. Remember the day after 911 how nice he was to the Bin-Laden's, letting the entire family (2 dozen or so) fly out of the country that day.

[soniclovenoize]

Don't be naive.

You can claim they didn't pull of the actual Boston Marathon Bombing if you want, because none of that has been proven. They are suspects. That could be a conspiracy, sure. So let's put the actual bombings aside for a second here and look at what else happened.

But as for kidnapping, grand theft audio, stealing of $800 from car-jacked guy, that's an open and shut case. They got 'em on camera, they have the victim as witness. So is fleeing an officer, that's a felony. Right there, not sure what the grid/guidelines are in Boston, but that's like 8 years easy.

Forensics will easily show they shot and killed the MIT cop (or that they didn't). We also have civilians recording/filming the gunfire/explosive exchange. If you are claiming that was faked by government agencies, just think about that claim, what they would have to do to pull that off. Just think about it rationally for a second.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Well yeah, CISPA did pass this week. It was voted down before, so your conjecture that it would of passed anyway is suspect and likely wrong.

Probably. I was just mocking you.

[Eulogy]

why are people still responding to him

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why are people still responding to him

Yeah I'm asking myself that and I regret saying anything in the first place.

You have more experience with him, is for serious? Or is he just trolling?

[sppunk]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why are people still responding to him

We need to create a central TOC thread and move all posts there. Kinda like that ****** forum years ago.

[The Omega Concern]

Anybody here care to explain why our President and DHS Sec. would allow a Saudi National thought to be a person of interest in the bombing, special expedited deportation papers to send him out of the country a day or two after?



Here he is, his name is Abdulrahman Al Harbi :






He is the nephew of Saudi terrorist, and close friend of the late Osama bin Laden, Khaled bin Ouda bin Mohammed al-Harbi, who is also the son-in-law of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the current leader of the militant Islamist organization al-Qaeda.



its suspect that moments after this person was released and sent off, the FBI claims the brothers as suspects when that alone makes them look incompetent because they have been in contact with the older brother for years.

You don't have contact with the FBI for that long unless they consider you dangerous, or are an informant.


To me, its looking more and more that the brothers are/were Patsies. Indeed, they may have tried to double-cross their FBI handlers.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why are people still responding to him

Because different people work at different modes with their cognitive dissonance.


Care to explain why the President would grant deportation orders on a 'person of interest' in the Boston Bombings?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Yeah I'm asking myself that and I regret saying anything in the first place.

You have more experience with him, is for serious? Or is he just trolling?

i don't know or care

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Yeah I'm asking myself that and I regret saying anything in the first place.

You have more experience with him, is for serious? Or is he just trolling?

Eulogy is part of the masses that are asleep. You seem to have a pulse. stay awake, be aware. Pay no attention to the ones who decline to take me on the context I provide with the sources I cite.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i don't know or care

Care to explain why the President would grant deportation orders on a 'person of interest' in the Boston Bombings?




Or why the First Lady would visit him this week at the Hospital?



The well-known Saudi Arabian news site Okaz.com released a report claiming first lady Michelle Obama visited two young Saudi Arabian nationals — including one once considered a person of interest and who sources tell TheBlaze was being considered for deportation — in the hospital Thursday following the Boston attacks and reassured them of their health status.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...l-on-thursday/

[soniclovenoize]

Apophenia /æpɵˈfiːniə/ is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

The term is a misnomer incorrectly attributed to Klaus Conrad[1] by Peter Brugger,[2] who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness", but it has come to represent the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general (such as with gambling), paranormal phenomena, and religion.[3]

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Don't be naive.

You can claim they didn't pull of the actual Boston Marathon Bombing if you want, because none of that has been proven. They are suspects. That could be a conspiracy, sure. So let's put the actual bombings aside for a second here and look at what else happened.

But as for kidnapping, grand theft audio, stealing of $800 from car-jacked guy, that's an open and shut case. They got 'em on camera, they have the victim as witness. So is fleeing an officer, that's a felony. Right there, not sure what the grid/guidelines are in Boston, but that's like 8 years easy.

Forensics will easily show they shot and killed the MIT cop (or that they didn't). We also have civilians recording/filming the gunfire/explosive exchange. If you are claiming that was faked by government agencies, just think about that claim, what they would have to do to pull that off. Just think about it rationally for a second.

I don't doubt the chase or the stuff at MIT and that it was indeed the brothers battling the cops. However, I'm still not convinced they're not patsies and are being made to take the fall in a far more elaborate plot that went full tilt and live.

Example: The Saudi national was there getaway guy. Once he went down and out of the country, and then these two were quickly blamed and exposed by the media, they know their time is done and freak out. They go to MIT to complete the second phase of the bombings in a last ditch attempt to go down in a blaze of glory and fight it out with the cops.


It's vital to know how the FBI has operated with informants in the past and the likelihood to how the older brother was one being that the FBI had been following him for years.

[JokeyLoki]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Care to explain why the President would grant deportation orders on a 'person of interest' in the Boston Bombings?




Or why the First Lady would visit him this week at a Saudi Arabian Hospital?



The well-known Saudi Arabian news site Okaz.com released a report claiming first lady Michelle Obama visited two young Saudi Arabian nationals — including one once considered a person of interest and who sources tell TheBlaze was being considered for deportation — in the hospital Thursday following the Boston attacks and reassured them of their health status.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...l-on-thursday/

They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Apophenia /æpɵˈfiːniə/ is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

The term is a misnomer incorrectly attributed to Klaus Conrad[1] by Peter Brugger,[2] who defined it as the "unmotivated seeing of connections" accompanied by a "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness", but it has come to represent the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general (such as with gambling), paranormal phenomena, and religion.[3]

Care to explain why the President would grant deportation orders to a Saudi National that was once a 'person of interest' in a terrorist plot?


Is it random or meaningless and completely unconnected from the deportation order that the First Lady has been reported by a foreign press source to visit this very Saudi national the hospital this week?



Nice try. But your gonna have to do better with the ad-hominens.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Care to explain why the President would grant deportation orders to a Saudi National that was once a 'person of interest' in a terrorist plot?

Did you ask him?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/su...s-and-comments

Is it random or meaningless and completely unconnected from the deportation order that the First Lady has been reported by a foreign press source to visit this Saudi national at a Saudi hospital this week?

How is this directly related to that kidnapping, hijacking a car and stealing $800?

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Did you ask him?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/su...s-and-comments




How is this directly related to that kidnapping, hijacking a car and stealing $800?

Bait and switch.

Patsies on the run. Not that they weren't involved, but cut loose and on the run. The Double-Agent notion presented by Debka file doesn't preclude the chase scenario either. If they double crossed the FBI and then got hung out to dry by the Saudis helping them, they were doomed regardless.



The Saudi connection cannot be denied nor should it be just dropped from attention:


http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...di-coverup.htm

War On Terror: Could it be happening again? Could a Saudi terror cell be behind another major U.S. attack? And could the Saudi government be trying to sink the investigation?

After 9/11, the Saudi ambassador demanded the evacuation of dozens of Saudi nationals, including bin Laden kin, before the FBI could properly question them. He got his wish, even though 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and others had ties to the plot.

Eerily similar high-level intervention is taking place in the Boston bombings case. Consider this timeline:

Jan. 14, 2013: President Obama meets in the Oval Office with Saudi minister of interior.

Jan. 16: Homeland Security Director Janet Napolitano signs "arrangement" with Saudi minister bestowing "trusted traveler" status on Saudi student visitors, shortcutting normal security screening procedures.

April 15: Saudi college student Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi is seen near the Boston marathon finish line with two other Saudis. He's tackled after fleeing the scene of one of the bombings. Authorities question him.

April 15: FBI agents search Alharbi's apartment, leave with bags of evidence. He's described as a "person of interest" in attacks.

April 16: Secretary of State John Kerry secretly meets with the Saudi foreign minister, locking out reporters who initially were told the meeting would be open.

April 16: Saudi ambassador phones several papers and insists neither Alharbi nor any Saudi nationals are involved in the bombings. Saudi officials visit the well-connected Alharbi at a Boston hospital.

April 17: Officials clear Alharbi, who's reportedly related to al-Qaida Gitmo detainees, as a person of interest.

April 17: FBI ID from photos and videos two Mideast-looking men with bags scouting scene of bombings and circulate them among law enforcement. AP, CNN and even Boston Globe report one arrest has been made. CNN describes suspect as "dark-skinned male." Media swarm Boston courthouse for arraignment.

April 17: Obama has sudden unscheduled meeting with the Saudi foreign minister at White House.

April 17: Justice Dept. scolds CNN for arrest report. FBI cancels press conference. Courthouse bomb scare.

April 17: Terror expert Steve Emerson reports ICE has been ordered to "deport" Alharbi for "national security" reasons, out of reach of FBI questioning.

April 18: Napolitano denies Alharbi will be deported.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Is there any Evidence of the chase you speak to and them throwing things at the cops or anything that backs up the authorities claims to this instance?

yes eyewitnesses

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

At this rate I'd be surprised he makes out of that hospital alive. Whoever they really are and whatever it is they did, it appears somebody somewhere needs them silenced.

So obviously they'd kill him at the least opportune moment when he's surrounded by hospital workers, cops and the world knows where he is, brilliant!

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why are people still responding to him

Im trying to channel his mind into a force for good. If I could somehow get him to see that not everything is part of the Octopus then he'll track down whats really going on.

I think Omegas pretty cool actually, in a crazy...or is he? sort of way.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sppunk

We need to create a central TOC thread and move all posts there. Kinda like that ****** forum years ago.

it was a miss world forum

[Banana]

I will say it is extremely shady how they still have not shown the video of them actually dropping the backpack. There is no reason not to show that if it actually exists.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Banana

I will say it is extremely shady how they still have not shown the video of them actually dropping the backpack. There is no reason not to show that if it actually exists.

Jury bias...