how do you know anything

Luke de Spa · 10-22-2012, 06:30 AM

http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/0...our-unknowing/

just something to think about

~ tHe SkEpTiCiSm KiNg ~

duovamp · 10-22-2012, 08:32 AM

All I know is that I don't know nothin'.

Cool As Ice Cream · 10-22-2012, 09:00 AM

γνῶθι σαυτόν

10-22-2012, 06:07 PM

hoiw come you never change your avatar

reprise85 · 10-22-2012, 09:21 PM

good article

vixnix · 10-22-2012, 10:03 PM

Well that was a boring way to tell me something I learned in Epistemology 101.

vixnix · 10-22-2012, 10:05 PM

I think the more interesting point is that it appears human can't live with that conclusion; to interact with others and "function", have a job, etc. We have to adopt some kind of working hypothesis, ultimately based on nothing stable. But go ahead and tell all the "rational atheists" that.

redbreegull · 10-22-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vixnix

I think the more interesting point is that it appears human can't live with that conclusion; to interact with others and "function", have a job, etc. We have to adopt some kind of working hypothesis, ultimately based on nothing stable. But go ahead and tell all the "rational atheists" that.

yes, basically, but atheism is still a more rational conclusion based on the body of knowledge determined by science which most people in the developed world accept

vixnix · 10-22-2012, 10:09 PM

How so?

Trotskilicious · 10-22-2012, 10:10 PM

by developed world he means white people

pavementtune · 10-22-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

yes, basically, but atheism is still a more rational conclusion based on the body of knowledge determined by science which most people in the developed world accept

Logic 101 - you can't prove the non-existence of anything, so I don't think Atheism is a very rational conclusion either.

killtrocity · 10-22-2012, 11:27 PM

the brain uses 90% of the body's glucose. Just something to think about

duovamp · 10-22-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pavementtune

Logic 101 - you can't prove the non-existence of anything, so I don't think Atheism is a very rational conclusion either.

Dumbest thing I ever read.

vixnix · 10-22-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duovamp

Dumbest thing I ever read.

Lol. So what did you major in at university duo?

TuralyonW3 · 10-22-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pavementtune

Logic 101 - you can't prove the non-existence of anything, so I don't think Atheism is a very rational conclusion either.

i'm not even a hardcore athiest but you're a fucking moron.

think about your statement for about 30 seconds. go ahead. get back to me.

TuralyonW3 · 10-22-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vixnix

Lol. So what did you major in at university duo?

I choose to believe that you don't have a big black cock. sorry for being so irrational

vixnix · 10-22-2012, 11:46 PM

Pretty sure she's thought about it much more than you.

IAMTHEDOORWAY · 10-22-2012, 11:48 PM

There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know.

TuralyonW3 · 10-22-2012, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vixnix

Pretty sure she's thought about it much more than you.

why in the hell would you think that.

and even if so, doesn't mean that's not a moronic statement

duovamp · 10-22-2012, 11:52 PM

Don't engage.

TuralyonW3 · 10-22-2012, 11:52 PM

I really fucking shouldn't.

they've obviously thought about these issues more than me and would have the upper hand

null123 · 10-23-2012, 12:51 AM

Trust your gut

Luke de Spa · 10-23-2012, 01:03 AM

gut your trust

pavementtune · 10-23-2012, 01:14 AM

Go on then, enlighten me and work out a logical, deductive proof that God (or E.T., I don't care) does not exist. You'd be the first in the history of philosophy, can't wait to see it.

"None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of Homer really exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could not get such proof."
Bertrand Russell, what a moron, right?

TuralyonW3 · 10-23-2012, 01:16 AM

and yet Bertrand Russell came to atheism as a rational conclusion. go fucking figure

vixnix · 10-23-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

why in the hell would you think that.

and even if so, doesn't mean that's not a moronic statement

True, but I thought you were implying that she had stated something moronic because she hadn't given much thought to what she had said.

I agree with her.

Have you read anything philosophical or theological apart from Dawkins and Hitchens? Whose work I don't really classify as either.

TuralyonW3 · 01:26 AM

jesus Christ I've barely read any Hitchens and no Dawkins. quit casting aspersions based on nothing. i've read all kind of fucking things, including plenty of philosophy, but that need not even factor into this conversation...I can think for myself, thank you.

and pavementtune if you're asking me to deduct a logical proof against something that doesn't exist then you don't understand why i'm calling you a moron

pavementtune · 10-23-2012, 01:27 AM

And Russell filled books with thoughts on Agnosticism and Atheism - go fucking figure. I find it funny that you're not coming up with an actual argument that could become a non-judgdmental discussion, you just say "that's moronic". Uninteresting, have fun.

vixnix · 10-23-2012, 01:27 AM

Why would what you've read on any given subject not have anything to do with a discussion on that subject.

You just sound like the typical Dawkins/Hitchens fundamentalists that have been spouting off everywhere lately.

TuralyonW3 · 10-23-2012, 01:30 AM

fuck why do I punish myself

according to you pavementtune rational conclusions don't exist

can you give me an example of a rational conclusion you hold?

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Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,217	how do you know anything http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/0...our-unknowing/ just something to think about ~ tHe SkEpTiCiSm KiNg ~

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TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,567	jesus Christ I've barely read any Hitchens and no Dawkins. quit casting aspersions based on nothing. i've read all kind of fucking things, including plenty of philosophy, but that need not even factor into this conversation...I can think for myself, thank you. and pavementtune if you're asking me to deduct a logical proof against something that doesn't exist then you don't understand why i'm calling you a moron Last edited by TuralyonW3 : 10-23-2012 at 01:26 AM.

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vixnix Socialphobic Location: we are champions, bathed in the heat of a thousand flame wars in the grim future of the internet there is only netphoria Posts: 12,035	Well that was a boring way to tell me something I learned in Epistemology 101.

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vixnix Socialphobic Location: we are champions, bathed in the heat of a thousand flame wars in the grim future of the internet there is only netphoria Posts: 12,035	I think the more interesting point is that it appears human can't live with that conclusion; to interact with others and "function", have a job, etc. We have to adopt some kind of working hypothesis, ultimately based on nothing stable. But go ahead and tell all the "rational atheists" that.

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vixnix Socialphobic Location: we are champions, bathed in the heat of a thousand flame wars in the grim future of the internet there is only netphoria Posts: 12,035	How so?

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killtrocity Saturday Night Goth Location: POLLOS Posts: 8,926	the brain uses 90% of the body's glucose. Just something to think about

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vixnix Socialphobic Location: we are champions, bathed in the heat of a thousand flame wars in the grim future of the internet there is only netphoria Posts: 12,035	Pretty sure she's thought about it much more than you.

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duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,674	Don't engage.

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null123 Minion of Satan Location: bye Posts: 7,274	Trust your gut

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Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,217	gut your trust

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pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,689	Go on then, enlighten me and work out a logical, deductive proof that God (or E.T., I don't care) does not exist. You'd be the first in the history of philosophy, can't wait to see it. "None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of Homer really exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could not get such proof." Bertrand Russell, what a moron, right?

10-23-2012, 01:16 AM	#25
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,567	and yet Bertrand Russell came to atheism as a rational conclusion. go fucking figure

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pavementtune ************** Location: I'm a quitter. I come from a long line of quitters. It's amazing I'm here at all. Posts: 8,689	And Russell filled books with thoughts on Agnosticism and Atheism - go fucking figure. I find it funny that you're not coming up with an actual argument that could become a non-judgdmental discussion, you just say "that's moronic". Uninteresting, have fun.

10-23-2012, 01:30 AM	#30
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,567	fuck why do I punish myself according to you pavementtune rational conclusions don't exist can you give me an example of a rational conclusion you hold?