Where's the hatred for Oceania?

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by brutechinasky

i likeish inkless, chimera and glissandra
the more zwan-y ones

these are the worst songs on the album, imo

[aztec litany service]

Originally Posted by aeroplume

i like inkeless, glissandra, oceania, maybe panopticon a little.

i like to think of oceania/teargarden as "the billy corgan experience". it doesnt piss me off as much when i think about it like that.

yeah, zwan was really more sp than this band. this is the band some ppl thought zwan was. blah i dont even want to think about zwan. they could've had a great double album, instead we got an album that missed several of the good rock songs and included way too many songs in D. TFE sounds good but the songs aren't that great. if he'd included the concurrent acoustic stuff he was doing, maybe with a bit of the TFE sound on them, that would've probably been awesome. ever since bill started segregating his stuff to these different projects, this album needs to sound like *this*, this doesn't fit, that's what has hurt him the most

[brutechinasky]

Originally Posted by reprise85

these are the worst songs on the album, imo

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

well maybe not really to the death

[rottenugly]

It sucks.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by brutechinasky

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

well maybe not really to the death

i really like zwan, too. but these songs to me are just poorly written and a bit gimmicky

[brutechinasky]

i don't really see the gimmick but w/e

[applepwnz]

Originally Posted by aztec litany service

yeah, zwan was really more sp than this band.

Exactly, Zwan was 1/2 Smashing Pumpkins, this band is only 1/4.

I think that Pinwheels is the only Oceania song that I liked enough to listen to more than once (even when I was drunk and everything sounds amazing).

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

siamese dream is fucking incredible

the production is amazing and there are plenty of great moments throughout. on the other hand, lots of dumb/boring riffs

[slunken]

Originally Posted by aztec litany service

ever since bill started segregating his stuff to these different projects, this album needs to sound like *this*, this doesn't fit, that's what has hurt him the most

agree 100%

[iPumpkin]

I can't really put a rating on the Albums as my mood changes and sometimes I like to listen to TFE or some crappy B-Sides and I genuinely enjoy it even though it may be weaker overall material.

I really am digging Oceania overall. Been listening to the 2nd half lately. really like the middle/end of Oceania (song), and the 2nd half of Glissandra has some great tones.

[john's ego]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

the production is amazing and there are plenty of great moments throughout. on the other hand, lots of dumb/boring riffs

yeah but they're appropriate for the songs.

[TuralyonW3]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

the production is amazing and there are plenty of great moments throughout. on the other hand, lots of dumb/boring riffs

out of curiosity can you name a boring and a dumb riff on SD

[TuralyonW3]

gish: 3.75/5
siamese dream: 4.5/5
pisces iscariot: 4.3/5
mcis: 4.9/5
tafh: 4.6/5
adore: 3.9/5
machina: 3/5
machina ii: 2.5/5
judas o: 3.2/5
msots: 3.3/5
tfe: 3.2/5
zeitgeist: 2.3/5
shitgarden by pissascope: 1.8/5
oceania: 2.999/5

[Ihaguitar]

gish: 4/5
siamese dream: 4.5/5
pisces iscariot: 4/5
mcis: 4/5
tafh: 4/5
adore: 4.5/5
machina: 3.5/5
machina ii: 2.5/5
judas o: 3/5
msots: 3/5
tfe: 1.5/5
zeitgeist: 1/5
shitgarden by pissascope: .5/5
oceania: 2/5

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

lots of dumb/boring riffs

entirely subjective of course

[EyesOfAJackal]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

the production is amazing and there are plenty of great moments throughout. on the other hand, lots of dumb/boring riffs

Maybe it's just semantics but I was always more impressed by the overall sonic beauty and depth of the songs and specifically the guitars than more of a straightforward notion of riffs (when I hear Zero or Jackboot I think riff; when I hear Rocket or Hummer I just think pure aural glory). The songs don't seem riff-based but texture and sound-based

All that being said the riffer songs like Geek and Silver still kill it, in part because the drumming is so good

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

entirely subjective of course

of course it is. you offered a contrary opinion so i supplied some context for mine

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

out of curiosity can you name a boring and a dumb riff on SD

quiet verse

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by john's ego

yeah but they're appropriate for the songs.

that might well be true. i guess i'm saying that an album with appropriately boneheaded riffs is out of medal contention for me

nothing's for everyone etc

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

quiet verse

That's not a riff. That's an arrangement strategy.

What riff is boring in particular?

[MacGyver]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i won't deny that but i have a hard time finding bad music entertaining, but more power to you

here's something you may enjoy:

Trots, I don't know where you found this gem but it made my morning, thanks lol

"Cuz in Hoogie Boogie Land, there is no war, or hate" LOL!

This isn't your dad's old rock band is it???

[MacGyver]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

the production is amazing and there are plenty of great moments throughout. on the other hand, lots of dumb/boring riffs

Dumb boring riffs? You stupid fucking kids don't know what the hell you're talking about 99% of the time. Why can't you spoiled little shits just appreciate this music for the time period it came out?? You make these ridiculous comparisons to new music we have now to something Vig produced in fucking '93.. SP isn't even close to the same band now, in fact- I'm convinced that Billy Corgan isn't even the same guy. He's a cyborg created by EMI to keep appearances and make money.. The real Corgan is on an island somewhere with Elvis and Tupac, period.

[Trotskilicious]

no my buddy is one of those guys that has a degree in music and just absolutely flips for stuff with absolutely no rhythm.

i mean it's really hard not to have it, basically, so he thinks it's special in a hilarious way?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by MacGyver

The real Corgan is on an island somewhere with Elvis and Tupac, period.

what about B.I.G.?????????????

[brutechinasky]

he's the island

[MacGyver]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

no my buddy is one of those guys that has a degree in music and just absolutely flips for stuff with absolutely no rhythm.

i mean it's really hard not to have it, basically, so he thinks it's special in a hilarious way?

So this is just some random "band" your friend found? Show me some more awesome clips of these guys please.. Are they from your area or just some other local group? Pretty hilarious stuff, especially that singer taking drags off a cigarette inbetween words, and missing most of his teeth lol

[Trotskilicious]

youtube.com

[MacGyver]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

youtube.com

Is that the site with them internet videos??

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by MacGyver

So this is just some random "band" your friend found? Show me some more awesome clips of these guys please.. Are they from your area or just some other local group? Pretty hilarious stuff, especially that singer taking drags off a cigarette inbetween words, and missing most of his teeth lol

It was actually Steve Albini was touting these guys as one of the greatest bands a while back. Probably because of their complete disregard of the "correct" way to play in a band--whether intentional or not--totally encompassed the punk rock ethos.

Kind of like The Shaggs or even The Frogs.

It isn't about hilarity, it's about the balls these guys had to just go out there and do it, with little care if it was "bad" or not. And possibly challenge the audience to ask ourselves what exactly is bad music?

[Trotskilicious]

yeah it's pretty punk rock but you know