Corgan calls Iha “one of the worst human beings I’ve ever met”

Starla · 06-22-2012, 12:38 AM

http://hipstersunited.wordpress.com/...darcy-wretzky/

What did James ever do to Billy, other than walk out of their last concert without speaking to him?

Billy keeps bringing up his hate for James almost every year and can't seem to let it go.

Mo · 06-22-2012, 12:45 AM

Corgan is such a child.

Starla · 06-22-2012, 12:49 AM

Monte will you please call Billy on his cell phone and ask him if he will do an interview with you. Something more in depth about what James as done. It's like every time there is a new release, Billy has to rag on James.

Trotskilicious · 06-22-2012, 12:51 AM

that last sentence is "d'arcy is a fucking idiot and i pity her"

Springbridge · 06-22-2012, 01:28 AM

I was shocked to hear that James walked off from the final show, playing for four hours together, and didn't even say goodbye to Jimmy or Billy. I don't know a lot about James except for his was always weird and quiet. But what kind of person holds that much resentment and animosity toward the people who made him rich and famous? He was biting the hand that fed him, he doesn't sound like the nicest or most sound-minded person in the world...

vbshlofbvgos · 06-22-2012, 01:31 AM

well at least he acknowledged that james is a good musician

Starla · 06-22-2012, 01:35 AM

I remember at sacred + profane how James played most of that night with his back to the audience. He kept all of the way back and barely interacted with anyone. It was strange. A lot of people were yelling out to him and only twice did he walk up toward them but that was it.

mugsdil · 06-22-2012, 01:35 AM

I heard James masturbated in Billy's sandals before the show.

Starla · 06-22-2012, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Springbridge

He was biting the hand that fed him, he doesn't sound like the nicest or most sound-minded person in the world...

Billy doesn't come off as very sane either. In his interview with Antiquiet, he said that people have been telling him who he is since 1989. I think he pretty much shows who he really is by the shit talking he does. James hasn't said anything in nearly ten years toward Billy. He never responds to the craziness.

Starla · 06-22-2012, 01:39 AM

I think billy should just do an interview and let it all hang out. Just tell the world what James has done.

Order 66 · 06-22-2012, 01:43 AM

thing with james is he's so private its hard to gauge one way or another how he really is. with the rest of the band you can get a general idea with how things played out the last 20 years

my guess is he's been filing lawsuits recently. up until a few years ago billy's template for discussing james in interviews was "he's pulled some fucked up shit - but he's still a good person" yadda yadda

Grox · 06-22-2012, 01:49 AM

Are you kidding? James fucking sucks. he resented Billy for being a "repressed talent" despite the fact that he couldn't write or sing for SHIT. he was biting the hand that fed him because his ego outsized his talent, unlike Billy who's arrogance is totally warranted as his talent is proportional to the shit he talks.

Order 66 · 06-22-2012, 01:51 AM

wait.. is james the chinese man or the drummer. i always get those two mixed up

Reyngel · 06-22-2012, 02:59 AM

Billy blames and trashes James because after James left, that's when everyone started hating his music. Billy can't stand people claiming that James was the reason the Pumpkins were successful. Every time an interviewer or fan brings up James' contributions, Billy has to make sure that the world knows that James didn't do shit for the band. Basically, Billy uses the ghost of James as the crutch argument for why people can't get over liking older SP songs versus the newer, shittier stuff.

Billy knows James is never coming back because James got fed up with Billy's horse shit back in 1999. But to keep appearances up, James agreed to one more album and a final tour.

Howard Stern hit the nail on the head: maybe it's not the fault of everyone else, but rather it's that Billy is way too difficult to have a relationship with?

Say what you want about James, but two things are clear:

1: James has never said a bad word about Billy since the final show in 2000. If James was such an awful person; he sure has a kind way of showing it.

2: Billy has alienated every person he's ever befriended, worked with or dated. Seems to me that if everyone else is wrong and Billy is right, then it's probably the other way around.

hafsteinn · 06-22-2012, 04:21 AM

What exactly did James Iha contribute other than look cool in a band to the musical landscape?

ohnoitsbonnie · 06-22-2012, 04:30 AM

Corgan u hear me... I'm going to break your ass u sorry motherfucker

Sonic Johnny · 06-22-2012, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hafsteinn

What exactly did James Iha contribute other than look cool in a band to the musical landscape?

the chord progression in Soma and one badass Cure cover

rottenugly · 06-22-2012, 05:25 AM

also mayonaise

DisconnectD · 06-22-2012, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

the chord progression in Soma and one badass Cure cover

his contribution to Soma & Mayonnaise is worth him existing in my opinion.

Two of my very favorite songs.

Morlock · 06-22-2012, 06:59 AM

Blew Away, Go, and that song on Mellon Collie (untr00 fan alert).

The "noisy, anarchic" solos like the one in Zero.

After Zwan Billy claimed that James was "flawed, but a good person", while the Zwan people were amoral, terrible etc.

Billy is full of shit. I really can't stand him anymore.

Radiohead FTW!

hafsteinn · 06-22-2012, 07:08 AM

Radiohead ? What has that to do with anything?

I dont think James Iha did any lead guitars btw.

mellon_c0llie · 06-22-2012, 07:10 AM

Just reading between the lines a little bit, but I think what happened in Zwan can give us a clue to what happened in the Pumpkins. Billy got really fed up with band members sleeping with each other. His reaction was... I want to get out of here as soon as possible. Why would THAT be his reaction? Something bad must have happened just like that in SP. We know Iha and D'arcy were a couple once. So... James sleeps with D'arcy upsets the psychological balance of the band. While Billy's writes the songs, James controls the heart of the band. He creates the divisions and holds D'arcy hostage. This power struggle drives Billy mad because it's no longer about the music. Essentially James can't compete with Billy on musical terms so he found another way to upset the balance and assert his authority. What makes it especially bad is that James probably did it on purpose. When I saw the band in 98 I was really surprised by how genuinely nice Billy was and how extremely bitter and hateful James was. Towards the end of Transmission James took over and let out about 20 f-bombs. Was it the crowd? The heat? or the Charity show? Could of it been bitterness towards Billy and the new direction of the band?

hafsteinn · 06-22-2012, 07:15 AM

I just remember in the making of adore documentary how d´arcy and Iha looked like they were waiting for a bus to take them to a cooler band or something.

vixnix · 06-22-2012, 07:32 AM

He and James should definitely work together again.

Duke1497 · 06-22-2012, 07:46 AM

I heard Billy say in the Howard Stern interview that he saw James in NYC and when James saw Billy he bolted

mickyshambles · 06-22-2012, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starla

http://hipstersunited.wordpress.com/...darcy-wretzky/

What did James ever do to Billy, other than walk out of their last concert without speaking to him?

Billy keeps bringing up his hate for James almost every year and can't seem to let it go.

you must be a fucking idiot.

rottenugly · 06-22-2012, 08:59 AM

Catherine Wheel · 06-22-2012, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Order 66

thing with james is he's so private its hard to gauge one way or another how he really is. with the rest of the band you can get a general idea with how things played out the last 20 years

This is a good point.

scottytheoneand · 06-22-2012, 09:43 AM

why do so many people assume that James is just a nice guy who did no wrong and billy is just making shit up?

It's obvious from the behavior of both of them that they were not getting along. I doubt that the destruction of their relationship was all billy's fault. the band was dysfunctional. everybody in the band was/is dysfunctional. James is not an innocent victim. he was there with the rest of them, making dumb ass decisions, doing stupid things, blowing up one of the best bands that ever existed.

soniclovenoize · 06-22-2012, 10:00 AM

Let's put the pieces together people:

You're in a band. After three years of working with this band, you aren't allowed to play guitar on your first record.

Then you aren't allowed to play on your second album either. You're not even allowed to play on these two songs you wrote, arguably the best songs on the album. That album becomes a success.

Then you write a bunch of songs for the third album, only for all but two to be rejected. That album becomes a success.

Then you put out your own solo album, which fails commercially.

Do you really blame James for walking off? He was sick of Corgan's shit.

06-22-2012, 12:38 AM	#1
Starla ***** Posts: 12,638	Corgan calls Iha “one of the worst human beings I’ve ever met” http://hipstersunited.wordpress.com/...darcy-wretzky/ What did James ever do to Billy, other than walk out of their last concert without speaking to him? Billy keeps bringing up his hate for James almost every year and can't seem to let it go.

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06-22-2012, 12:45 AM	#2
Mo Shalom y'all Location: Wien Posts: 20,262	Corgan is such a child.

06-22-2012, 12:49 AM	#3
Starla ***** Posts: 12,638	Monte will you please call Billy on his cell phone and ask him if he will do an interview with you. Something more in depth about what James as done. It's like every time there is a new release, Billy has to rag on James.

06-22-2012, 12:51 AM	#4
Trotskilicious My Fiesta Name is Pendejo Location: I'm never going outside again unless I need someplace to throw up. Posts: 11,017	that last sentence is "d'arcy is a fucking idiot and i pity her"

06-22-2012, 01:28 AM	#5
Springbridge Ownz Location: Fireworks Park Posts: 979	I was shocked to hear that James walked off from the final show, playing for four hours together, and didn't even say goodbye to Jimmy or Billy. I don't know a lot about James except for his was always weird and quiet. But what kind of person holds that much resentment and animosity toward the people who made him rich and famous? He was biting the hand that fed him, he doesn't sound like the nicest or most sound-minded person in the world...

06-22-2012, 01:31 AM	#6
vbshlofbvgos Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,586	well at least he acknowledged that james is a good musician

06-22-2012, 01:35 AM	#7
Starla ***** Posts: 12,638	I remember at sacred + profane how James played most of that night with his back to the audience. He kept all of the way back and barely interacted with anyone. It was strange. A lot of people were yelling out to him and only twice did he walk up toward them but that was it.

06-22-2012, 01:35 AM	#8
mugsdil Banned Posts: 25	I heard James masturbated in Billy's sandals before the show.

06-22-2012, 01:39 AM	#10
Starla ***** Posts: 12,638	I think billy should just do an interview and let it all hang out. Just tell the world what James has done.

06-22-2012, 01:43 AM	#11
Order 66 living the drem Posts: 7,476	thing with james is he's so private its hard to gauge one way or another how he really is. with the rest of the band you can get a general idea with how things played out the last 20 years my guess is he's been filing lawsuits recently. up until a few years ago billy's template for discussing james in interviews was "he's pulled some fucked up shit - but he's still a good person" yadda yadda

06-22-2012, 01:49 AM	#12
Grox Ownz Posts: 681	Are you kidding? James fucking sucks. he resented Billy for being a "repressed talent" despite the fact that he couldn't write or sing for SHIT. he was biting the hand that fed him because his ego outsized his talent, unlike Billy who's arrogance is totally warranted as his talent is proportional to the shit he talks.

06-22-2012, 01:51 AM	#13
Order 66 living the drem Posts: 7,476	wait.. is james the chinese man or the drummer. i always get those two mixed up

06-22-2012, 02:59 AM	#14
Reyngel Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,248	Billy blames and trashes James because after James left, that's when everyone started hating his music. Billy can't stand people claiming that James was the reason the Pumpkins were successful. Every time an interviewer or fan brings up James' contributions, Billy has to make sure that the world knows that James didn't do shit for the band. Basically, Billy uses the ghost of James as the crutch argument for why people can't get over liking older SP songs versus the newer, shittier stuff. Billy knows James is never coming back because James got fed up with Billy's horse shit back in 1999. But to keep appearances up, James agreed to one more album and a final tour. Howard Stern hit the nail on the head: maybe it's not the fault of everyone else, but rather it's that Billy is way too difficult to have a relationship with? Say what you want about James, but two things are clear: 1: James has never said a bad word about Billy since the final show in 2000. If James was such an awful person; he sure has a kind way of showing it. 2: Billy has alienated every person he's ever befriended, worked with or dated. Seems to me that if everyone else is wrong and Billy is right, then it's probably the other way around.

06-22-2012, 04:21 AM	#15
hafsteinn Pledge Location: Iceland Posts: 64	What exactly did James Iha contribute other than look cool in a band to the musical landscape?

06-22-2012, 04:30 AM	#16
ohnoitsbonnie seratus rupiah Posts: 12,803	Corgan u hear me... I'm going to break your ass u sorry motherfucker

06-22-2012, 05:25 AM	#18
rottenugly Banned Location: its a gas Posts: 2,702	also mayonaise

06-22-2012, 06:59 AM	#20
Morlock Demi-God Location: Germany Posts: 398	Blew Away, Go, and that song on Mellon Collie (untr00 fan alert). The "noisy, anarchic" solos like the one in Zero. After Zwan Billy claimed that James was "flawed, but a good person", while the Zwan people were amoral, terrible etc. Billy is full of shit. I really can't stand him anymore. Radiohead FTW!

06-22-2012, 07:08 AM	#21
hafsteinn Pledge Location: Iceland Posts: 64	Radiohead ? What has that to do with anything? I dont think James Iha did any lead guitars btw.

06-22-2012, 07:10 AM	#22
mellon_c0llie Minion of Jesus Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 557	Just reading between the lines a little bit, but I think what happened in Zwan can give us a clue to what happened in the Pumpkins. Billy got really fed up with band members sleeping with each other. His reaction was... I want to get out of here as soon as possible. Why would THAT be his reaction? Something bad must have happened just like that in SP. We know Iha and D'arcy were a couple once. So... James sleeps with D'arcy upsets the psychological balance of the band. While Billy's writes the songs, James controls the heart of the band. He creates the divisions and holds D'arcy hostage. This power struggle drives Billy mad because it's no longer about the music. Essentially James can't compete with Billy on musical terms so he found another way to upset the balance and assert his authority. What makes it especially bad is that James probably did it on purpose. When I saw the band in 98 I was really surprised by how genuinely nice Billy was and how extremely bitter and hateful James was. Towards the end of Transmission James took over and let out about 20 f-bombs. Was it the crowd? The heat? or the Charity show? Could of it been bitterness towards Billy and the new direction of the band?

06-22-2012, 07:15 AM	#23
hafsteinn Pledge Location: Iceland Posts: 64	I just remember in the making of adore documentary how d´arcy and Iha looked like they were waiting for a bus to take them to a cooler band or something.

06-22-2012, 07:32 AM	#24
vixnix Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,817	He and James should definitely work together again.

06-22-2012, 07:46 AM	#25
Duke1497 Ownz Location: You're the rotted root in the family tree Posts: 715	I heard Billy say in the Howard Stern interview that he saw James in NYC and when James saw Billy he bolted

06-22-2012, 08:59 AM	#27
rottenugly Banned Location: its a gas Posts: 2,702

06-22-2012, 09:43 AM	#29
scottytheoneand Mustard Man Location: "You are the poster child for an uninformed brainwashed American" -OmegaConcern Posts: 8,376	why do so many people assume that James is just a nice guy who did no wrong and billy is just making shit up? It's obvious from the behavior of both of them that they were not getting along. I doubt that the destruction of their relationship was all billy's fault. the band was dysfunctional. everybody in the band was/is dysfunctional. James is not an innocent victim. he was there with the rest of them, making dumb ass decisions, doing stupid things, blowing up one of the best bands that ever existed.

06-22-2012, 10:00 AM	#30
soniclovenoize Apocalyptic Poster Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 4,436	Let's put the pieces together people: You're in a band. After three years of working with this band, you aren't allowed to play guitar on your first record. Then you aren't allowed to play on your second album either. You're not even allowed to play on these two songs you wrote, arguably the best songs on the album. That album becomes a success. Then you write a bunch of songs for the third album, only for all but two to be rejected. That album becomes a success. Then you put out your own solo album, which fails commercially. Do you really blame James for walking off? He was sick of Corgan's shit.