that thing that happened in maryland gave me nightmares

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Samsa


so now it's your job to tell me what i can and can't find scary? fuck off. feelings aren't objective. if serial killers give me nightmares and terrify the fuck out of me, then i think i am perfectly justified in saying they're horrifying. i mean, shit.

As much as I *don't* like her opinion, she was only saying that she didn't think it was horrifying. She wasn't saying you were wrong necessarily, just stating her opinion. Chill.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser


As much as I *don't* like her opinion, she was only saying that she didn't think it was horrifying. She wasn't saying you were wrong necessarily, just stating her opinion. Chill.

she didn't say 'i don't think they're scary' she said 'horrifying? hardly' actually she said it twice

serial killers aren't scary (what fucking ever)

and then when i explained why i think they're scary she still said 'they're not scary' as if she knows better than me what i can and can't be scared at. so fuck off, bertha.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Samsa


she didn't say 'i don't think they're scary' she said 'horrifying? hardly' actually she said it twice

serial killers aren't scary (what fucking ever)

and then when i explained why i think they're scary she still said 'they're not scary' as if she knows better than me what i can and can't be scared at. so fuck off, bertha.

So basically what you're saying is that because she doesn't have the same opinion as you, she's a fucking idiot? Ever think that maybe your opinion is just as absurd to her?

[Samsa]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
So basically what you're saying is that because she doesn't have the same opinion as you, she's a fucking idiot? Ever think that maybe your opinion is just as absurd to her?

thanks for being so smart to interpret me wrong even though i explain myself ten times! that's my whole fucking point! my whole fucking point is she didn't portray her opinion as an opinion but as a normative statement. i say 'i'm scared of serial killers' and she's all 'serial killers aren't scary' as if i can't possibly be scared of serial killers because it's some fucking scientific laws that they're not scary. jesus christ. what's your iq? i think you just enjoy pissing me off on purpose. you stupid bitch. you ruin all my fucking threads because you sit there misinterpreting every fucking thing i say and i have to sit here explaining things to your cretin little jutting out forehead little idiotic little self. just fuck off you moron.

[FearFactory]

Originally posted by Samsa



i knew someone who is stupid was going to ask me about that. did you not see me quote 'there is nothing more horrifying than a murder without a motive' ? and when i say horrifying i don't mean morally repulsive or whatever, i mean literally horrifying. i mean it scares the shit out of me. timothy mcveigh doesn't scare the shit out of me because at least his crime had some semblance of logical motive or reasoning behind it. john wayne gacy doesn't make sense. you can't understand why someone would do that. there is no way anyone can even fathom how someone gets to the point where they consistently and methodically murder people for no fucking reason. i was watching this thing on msnbc awhile ago late at night about all these serial killers and it just horrified me. it was talking about just. you get this impression that they're absolutely empty inside. like satan or something. like their whole soul is a vacuum and i just cannot imagine it.

Yet more fuel for the theory that those who disagree with you are "idiots".

Unless you are the person(s) doing these killings, how the fuck do you know they don't have a motive? Just because the media can't find a link between the victims does not mean that there is no motive.

I can't understand why anyone would murder someone else, whether or not they plotted it out or had a "reason" for doing it. Having a motive does not make one type of murder more justifiable than another.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by FearFactory


Yet more fuel for the theory that those who disagree with you are "idiots".

Unless you are the person(s) doing these killings, how the fuck do you know they don't have a motive? Just because the media can't find a link between the victims does not mean that there is no motive.

I can't understand why anyone would murder someone else, whether or not they plotted it out or had a "reason" for doing it. Having a motive does not make one type of murder more justifiable than another.

the ones in maryland i'm sure have a fucking motive because they're perpetrated by more than one person. at least i hope they do. once i found out their motive i'm sure i'll be much less freaked out. as for serial killers, they're a societal freak and as of yet no one is able to figure out exactly why they kill people so i think i am perfectly grounded in saying there isn't much of a logical or rational or derived motive.

[Samsa]

and once again, because you people are stupid, i am not referring to degrees of evil or morality. i just think one type of murder is SCARIER than another. thank you.

[Samsa]

and regardless of the motive for the maryland murders, it's still scary as fuck. oh my god. just the public nature of it i guess. people getting shot while sitting on a park bench. can you imagine? walking down the street and some woman is slumped over with blood leaking out of her head? oh fucking man. or just sitting there reading your newspaper and some car drives up and shoots you. holy hell.

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Samsa


thanks for being so smart to interpret me wrong even though i explain myself ten times! that's my whole fucking point! my whole fucking point is she didn't portray her opinion as an opinion but as a normative statement. i say 'i'm scared of serial killers' and she's all 'serial killers aren't scary' as if i can't possibly be scared of serial killers because it's some fucking scientific laws that they're not scary. jesus christ. what's your iq? i think you just enjoy pissing me off on purpose. you stupid bitch. you ruin all my fucking threads because you sit there misinterpreting every fucking thing i say and i have to sit here explaining things to your cretin little jutting out forehead little idiotic little self. just fuck off you moron.

Well jeez, Suze, you're so quick to go off on people and so unclear, I didn't understand. My appologies..

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa
as for serial killers, they're a societal freak and as of yet no one is able to figure out exactly why they kill people so i think i am perfectly grounded in saying there isn't much of a logical or rational or derived motive.

well, as far as i'm aware, most serial killers convince themselves that they have a motive for their killings, no matter how bizarre it may seem to you.

i don't think it's for one person to try to adjudicate what is 'rational' or not. if i decide i wanna kill a bunch of people called Geoff...that's my logic.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
Well jeez, Suze, you're so quick to go off on people and so unclear, I didn't understand. My appologies..

yes of course they all have a logic but it's a completely bizarre and fabricated sense of logic. one woman, she prostituted herself on the side of the road then afterwards killed the men for *raping* her. and they interviewed and she was all. basically discussing how she did it in self-defense and the look in her eye was horrifying. it was. i can't even describe it.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by Samsa


yes of course they all have a logic but it's a completely bizarre and fabricated sense of logic. one woman, she prostituted herself on the side of the road then afterwards killed the men for *raping* her. and they interviewed and she was all. basically discussing how she did it in self-defense and the look in her eye was horrifying. it was. i can't even describe it.

ok i was trying to quote scouse_dave but i'm not used to the button beign under the post so you knwo what i mean i'm not tryign over

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave


well, as far as i'm aware, most serial killers convince themselves that they have a motive for their killings, no matter how bizarre it may seem to you.

i don't think it's for one person to try to adjudicate what is 'rational' or not. if i decide i wanna kill a bunch of people called Geoff...that's my logic.

oh and duh obviously i didn't want to use the word rational or logical. i was trying to find a better word but i couldn't so i used rational hoping people would understand what i was trying to say. but once again....

[scouse_dave]

yeah, totally...i'm sure sometimes people kill out of a seemingly 'stupid' logical premise they've convinced themselves into believing

i was only saying....to them, there's often not the randomness aspect i think you're alluding to.

(tho i agree most serial killers are out of their minds)

btw, i agree with the quoting thing...it's confusing sometimes

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa


oh and duh obviously i didn't want to use the word rational or logical. i was trying to find a better word but i couldn't so i used rational hoping people would understand what i was trying to say. but once again....

but once again, what?

i can only go by what you type...i'm not a mindreader

[Samsa]

no, i think i've basically concluded that it's a bloodlust and there isn't much conscious thought of it. either that or...i wonder if they're ashamed of it. like they're so horrified by what they do...like norman bates' character. like how part of them sometimes just realizes that they have dead bodies rotting under their home and it just completely fractures them even more. i can't even begin to comprehend.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave


but once again, what?

i can only go by what you type...i'm not a mindreader

well it's sort of obvious that most people don't go 'yeah this isn't rational' while they do it. most people believe that what they think makes sense. *cough*

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa
well it's sort of obvious that most people don't go 'yeah this isn't rational' while they do it. most people believe that what they think makes sense. *cough*

well, i know...which is what i said

about 3 posts ago

[DeviousJ]

Originally posted by KrazeePumpkin


Even though I said I wouldn't talk about it...

I didn't really have "horror-movie serial killers" in mind...and even though he's not a serial killer, I was thinking more along the lines of Eddie Gein. They're all sick fucks, no doubt...but does that make them terrible people and "horrifying"? no. They're just troubled souls with great imagination.

Well when I said 'horror movie' I meant in the sense of a detached view of the whole thing - like the way you can see a murder in a movie and enjoy the stylistic take on it, and think 'hey that's a cool idea'... whereas if it was really happening, you'd have a completely different take on the situation, since it would be impacting on your life in some way. And I don't think suze was calling the people themselves 'horrifying' (whether or not they are), more the circumstances of these people's deaths.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave


well, i know...which is what i said

about 3 posts ago

yes. exactly. but you don't seem to understand that that's a given and most people realize it too so therefore you had no need to point it out.

[Samsa]

Originally posted by DeviousJ


Well when I said 'horror movie' I meant in the sense of a detached view of the whole thing - like the way you can see a murder in a movie and enjoy the stylistic take on it, and think 'hey that's a cool idea'... whereas if it was really happening, you'd have a completely different take on the situation, since it would be impacting on your life in some way. And I don't think suze was calling the people themselves 'horrifying' (whether or not they are), more the circumstances of these people's deaths.

mhm. mostly that ::::::

plus. i don't know. i can't help but think what those people are like. what goes on in their head. how they can live with themselves when they keep dead bodies in their fridge and eat them. i can't imagine. how those people wake up in the morning and look in the mirror.

[scouse_dave]

Originally posted by Samsa
yes. exactly. but you don't seem to understand that that's a given and most people realize it too so therefore you had no need to point it out.

listen..i've tried to be nice about this

i pointed it out because what you said at first seemed contradictory to what you're now saying

you: i think A
me: you sure about A?
you: well, obviously i meant B...A is obviously wrong...jesus, anyone knows that A is wrong

(which is the whole reason i pointed out that A was wrong)

you admitted yourself that you couldn't find the right word to use. the one you used in the end was ambigious.

[DeviousJ]

Originally posted by Samsa


yes of course they all have a logic but it's a completely bizarre and fabricated sense of logic. one woman, she prostituted herself on the side of the road then afterwards killed the men for *raping* her. and they interviewed and she was all. basically discussing how she did it in self-defense and the look in her eye was horrifying. it was. i can't even describe it.

Well what's worse - people who kill and are obviously disturbed, or people who can plan and execute a mass murder and still seem completely reasonable and logical when explaining their actions?

Actually Suze, I meant to ask you about this - do your views on Timothy McVeigh stem from a belief that he actually wasn't the guilty party, or are they taking into consideration that he was the one who did it? And before anyone complains - no, this isn't a 'flame Suze' post

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave


listen..i've tried to be nice about this

i pointed it out because what you said at first seemed contradictory to what you're now saying

you: i think A
me: you sure about A?
you: well, obviously i meant B...A is obviously wrong...jesus, anyone knows that A is wrong

(which is the whole reason i pointed out that A was wrong)

you admitted yourself that you couldn't find the right word to use. the one you used in the end was ambigious.

yes i know i used the wrong word. it's not even about admitting because i never said i used the right word in the first place. i just figured it is so obvious that everyone views themself as more or less rational that it goes without saying and most people with half a brain are perfectly capable of understanding what i was trying to say.

and no, i'm not saying a is obviously wrong. because i think some things ARE objectively *something* the closest word i can think of is derivitable and i don't even think that's a word. i just can't find the right word and i think it's pretty obvious what i'm trying to say and you really have no reason to come in here and point out something that's completely obvious, and accusing me of changing my mind when i'm really just saying 'yes. duh.'

[scouse_dave]

if you like, suze...

[Samsa]

Originally posted by DeviousJ


Well what's worse - people who kill and are obviously disturbed, or people who can plan and execute a mass murder and still seem completely reasonable and logical when explaining their actions?

Actually Suze, I meant to ask you about this - do your views on Timothy McVeigh stem from a belief that he actually wasn't the guilty party, or are they taking into consideration that he was the one who did it? And before anyone complains - no, this isn't a 'flame Suze' post

i'm not talking about worse. i think as long as there's some reason like. some reason that can be derived from real life or sort of substantial facts of the matter or something like even if they still don't make sense. like tim mcveigh blowing up a building because of waco or because he's declaring war on the g'vt or because whatever, it at least, i mean you can say 'that's wrong' or 'that's stupid' but you can't say that is so bizarre and fucking creepy. but that guy who murdered john lennon, that is so bizarre and creepy, because why did he do it? because he read some book? i still don't get it. it's just scary how some people come to some conclusions like. i don't know.

oh my views on tim mcveigh? i don't really know how many people were behind it. i don't knwo how much it would have cost or how much space it would have taken, or how smar tyou have to be to plan it out. some people say tim mcveigh wasn't smart enough to have done it himself and others say maybe he wasn't exactly a genious but he had tremendous powers of concentration and was very driven. i don't know. some people say he had help from iraq. i do not want to believe iraq is behind it. it would completely skew my whole concept of..i don't know. because he believed in personal liberty and if he involved himself and let himself be helped by a country like that it would just completely fuck up his explanation of why he did it i guess. it doesn't stem from his guilt or innocence it just most likely stems from some sort of empathy or like jee that's sad or i don't know. just an okay sort of deranged guy just somehow and for some reason just completely going overboard and murdering all these people and in the process getting himself murdered. i found some thing on the internet disputing all the 'he was a loner' claims, i don't know. i could find that website again for you going 'bullshit he was always crazy, he was a perfectly normal amiable guy' but i don't know. it's so hard to tell.

[Samsa]

http://mayphuck.homestead.com/files/tm1.jpg

like dude. did he have to fucking post for that pic? like they fucking bring him into the studio or whatever, have him pose for a pic and write over it 'should he die?' ??? i just don't fucking get it.

[scouse_dave]

do you think he should have died, suze?

how about any kind of criminal?

[Samsa]

Originally posted by scouse_dave
do you think he should have died, suze?

how about any kind of criminal?

no. no one should die. i don't know maybe if someone i loved were murdered i'd feel differently but i hope i wouldn't. my only point of ehhh is for like ted bundy who broke out of prison what, 3 times? and murdeered more people. but i guess he shouldn't be murdered for poor security.

[sppunk]

I have come to the realization that the term "fuck" is the most overused word in our language today. What once was a very powerful word is equal to "ass" now. Please, let us all start using a more repulsing word, yet less frequently as to not wear out it's welcome.

On a side note, how the hell do you get those smilies to appear? I click and click on the bottom ones, but they don't work.