Machina II on ebay - Page 9

jimmy drevpile · 06-06-2012, 03:59 PM

Congratulations Monte you are the truest of trufans.

Elvis The Fat Years · 06-06-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

I came close to committing Oboard suicide a couple of times. It seemed like it would be a relief to be banned. but I want to be able to log in and comment every once in a while so I've resisted the urge. I only go over there now about twice a month.

that would've been horrible if you were banned. what would we do without this type of information...

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Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

LOL ppl on the Oboard thread are referencing this thread..

we all care so much about what the oboard is doing. i don't know what we would do.

sniffingchimp · 06-06-2012, 05:16 PM

This is shocking. Billy and his o-board minions doing his bidding.

It's like Rude Dog and the Dweebs.

subzero · 06-06-2012, 07:46 PM

the o-boards are the worst fucking forums

BlissedandGone2 · 06-06-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by subzero

the o-boards are the worst fucking forums

nice input.

Travis Meeks · 06-06-2012, 09:13 PM

Wait a second. Billy Corgan actually has regular dealings with Monte?

Does Billy pay him?

subzero · 06-06-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlissedandGone2

nice input.

proudly banned for trashing mike byrne on them

imploding b0lly · 06-06-2012, 09:45 PM

Hey guys.

Not for nothing but.....

IT'S THE SAME MUSIC WE ALL GOT FOR FREE 12 FUCKING YEARS AGO.

That is all. Carry on.

pale_princess · 06-06-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

by the way when is this corgan/monte thing gonna go all selena

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 111111

quote of the fucking millennium

Monet LSD · 06-06-2012, 11:19 PM

Poor Selena of the vast oceans

reprise85 · 06-06-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by imploding b0lly

Hey guys.

Not for nothing but.....

IT'S THE SAME MUSIC WE ALL GOT FOR FREE 12 FUCKING YEARS AGO.

That is all. Carry on.

oh man. i'm sure no one realized this. what fools we've been!

Future Boy · 06-07-2012, 12:33 AM

I need to hear it for myself before I believe a rake fighter

fuzzyroes · 06-07-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pale_princess

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 111111

quote of the fucking millennium

Haha that thought has actually crossed my mind before too...

But godamn it. It really would have been cool to see how much that album fetched... And if it was bought by a hardcore fan we might have been able to get a better rip of the album.

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-07-2012, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

And if it was bought by a hardcore fan we might have been able to get a better rip of the album.

i doubt it.

Shallowed · 06-07-2012, 03:31 AM

perhaps if soniclovenoise or Crabman or Mayfair from the o-board obtained it.

Trotskilicious · 06-07-2012, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Meeks

Wait a second. Billy Corgan actually has regular dealings with Monte?

Not only is monte in charge now of the archive project which he pretends that there are 12 other people involved, but he's also frequently known to "interview" billy corgan and hang out with him after shows and etc.

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Does Billy pay him?

to the best of my knowledge no, but i think monte can answer that

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-07-2012, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta of Muppet

perhaps if soniclovenoise or Crabman or Mayfair from the o-board obtained it.

i was doubting the quality of the records.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/d...?discog_id=153

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25 (twenty-five) copies on hand-cut, non-lacquered acetate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetate_disc

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They can be played on any normal phonograph but will be degraded by wear much more quickly than vinyl.

i have no idea how quick "much more quickly" is, and if it's only related to number of times played, or if they also degrade by just sitting on a shelf.
but there's a chance that it's no longer possible to get any quality out of these.

Shallowed · 06-07-2012, 06:15 AM

It does specify "degraded by wear", but then again it doesn't say that they degrade in storage.

teh b0lly!!1 · 06-07-2012, 08:03 AM

GEN POP

Cool As Ice Cream · 06-07-2012, 08:15 AM

also, the machina II acetates are non-lacquered, according to spfc.org.
normally acetates are "a special lacquer-coated blank disc" where they "cut a sound-modulated groove into the surface", according to wikipedia.

so there's an extra difference between "normal" acetates and the ones used for machina II. lacquer-coated vs. non-lacquered.
this might also have an effect on the quality.

but i don't know. does anyone else know more about this?

emilem · 06-07-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

i was doubting the quality of the records.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/d...?discog_id=153

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetate_disc

i have no idea how quick "much more quickly" is, and if it's only related to number of times played, or if they also degrade by just sitting on a shelf.
but there's a chance that it's no longer possible to get any quality out of these.

up to 30 safe plays i think, if techno dubplates are any indication. but if you store them wrong they will warp much faster than normal lps.

non laquered are of inferior quality in general and even more limited playability. it's kinda obvious when you listen to the rips. normal acetates sound as good as pressed vinyl, just fora short period of time. mII already sounds worn on the early rips.

MyOneAndOnly · 06-07-2012, 08:46 AM

what would have been the reason for these being made that way? Was is simply an issue of cost? was it cheaper to make them (non-lacquered)?

New Art Rioter · 06-07-2012, 08:58 AM

The reason they sound worn isn't because they're on dubplates

Dubplates should sound AMAZING, the lack of sound quality comes from either bad mastering/a bad cut/issues before the tracks reached the cutting engineer

If a track is cut to a dub, then the sound quality won't degrade over time without being played - increased play will result in more snap, crackle and pop, but not in 30 plays, think more like 90 ish. The tracks won't sound muffled as M2 does, just more hiss n' crackle.

Also remember when the rips were made, I'm guessing they would have been on at least one of the first play throughs for most of the varients circulating, though this is speculation - they all sound quite similiar from my memory

Seeing some of the released tracks do sound better/clearer than the vinyl rips of M2 (Real Love springs to mind), I'd hazard a guess the sound issues are due to mastering issues, or issues with the cutting engineer. Agreed they do sound raw, but I remember at the time that seemed to add to the charm after people's feelings on the production of M1

emilem · 06-07-2012, 08:59 AM

it was an issue of being an ass and making a stupid statement. if it was an issue of cost he would dub 25 tapes at his home.

these are not dubplates, these ar hand cut lathes. dubplates are pressed, these are... well, hand cut.

dubplates are made from master plates, i mean. hand cut lathe are individually cut to disc in real time.

New Art Rioter · 06-07-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by emilem

it was an issue of being an ass and making a stupid statement. if it was an issue of cost he would dub 25 tapes at his home.

these are not dubplates, these ar hand cut lathes. dubplates are pressed, these are... well, hand cut.

dubplates are made from master plates, i mean. hand cut lathe are individually cut to disc in real time.

You're thinking of test pressings surely? In my experience dubplates are hand cut in the process you describe, never pressed

emilem · 06-07-2012, 09:13 AM

wait, yuou're right. anyway, here's some videos of the process.

manufactured dub plates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4CRd0JXvdk

hand cut lathes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4H_mLrej4Y

Starla · 06-07-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MonteLDS

me talking about this isn't going to change anyone's mind.

But the seller wasn't doing anything illegal. You didn't even bother to check your sources before hassling her.

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my message isn't why the seller stopped the auction.

Then what did? The auction wouldn't have been interrupted if you had left it alone.

MyOneAndOnly · 03:21 PM

Monte views himself as the ultimate Billy fan. so much so that he feels the need to butt into other peoples' shit. People he doesn't know.

not unlike his daily race to post incomplete sentences and grammatical abortions on his blog, just so he can claim "first" in the race to document billy's every fart, cough and shit before Hipsters United or Grunge Report or whatever mentions it. Monte doing shit like this is his way of making himself important. HE knows what billy thinks! HE knows before everyone else. And that gives him license to act as arbiter of fandom.

Kahlo · 06-07-2012, 10:19 AM

Jesus Christ. We all thought you were Monte's right hand man. You know, the guy who posted on Crestfallen all the time, bigged up Byrne and defended BC in the face of reality?

When did you and Monte fall out? Did he not spoon you to sleep one night? did you feel rejected?

Tell Netphoria. Everyone care.

Trotskilicious · 06-07-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Monte views himself as the ultimate Billy fan.

Is this incredibly gay?

06-07-2012, 09:56 AM	#268
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,942	Monte views himself as the ultimate Billy fan. so much so that he feels the need to butt into other peoples' shit. People he doesn't know. not unlike his daily race to post incomplete sentences and grammatical abortions on his blog, just so he can claim "first" in the race to document billy's every fart, cough and shit before Hipsters United or Grunge Report or whatever mentions it. Monte doing shit like this is his way of making himself important. HE knows what billy thinks! HE knows before everyone else. And that gives him license to act as arbiter of fandom. Last edited by MyOneAndOnly : 06-07-2012 at 03:21 PM.

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06-06-2012, 03:59 PM	#241
jimmy drevpile Ownz Location: themachinesomehow Posts: 872	Congratulations Monte you are the truest of trufans.

06-06-2012, 05:16 PM	#243
sniffingchimp Ownz Posts: 769	This is shocking. Billy and his o-board minions doing his bidding. It's like Rude Dog and the Dweebs.

06-06-2012, 07:46 PM	#244
subzero Demi-God Posts: 288	the o-boards are the worst fucking forums

06-06-2012, 09:13 PM	#246
Travis Meeks Rambling on Posts: 20,548	Wait a second. Billy Corgan actually has regular dealings with Monte? Does Billy pay him?

06-06-2012, 09:45 PM	#248
imploding b0lly Oblivious Virgin Posts: 29	Hey guys. Not for nothing but..... IT'S THE SAME MUSIC WE ALL GOT FOR FREE 12 FUCKING YEARS AGO. That is all. Carry on.

06-06-2012, 11:19 PM	#250
Monet LSD Ownz Location: ...Talk about dedication, going all the way to the down under to read a rolling stones. Posts: 524	Poor Selena of the vast oceans

06-07-2012, 12:33 AM	#252
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,972	I need to hear it for myself before I believe a rake fighter

06-07-2012, 03:31 AM	#255
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 17,798	perhaps if soniclovenoise or Crabman or Mayfair from the o-board obtained it.

06-07-2012, 06:15 AM	#258
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 17,798	It does specify "degraded by wear", but then again it doesn't say that they degrade in storage.

06-07-2012, 08:03 AM	#259
teh b0lly!!1 Braindead Location: PROWLING THE BADLANDS Posts: 16,215	GEN POP

06-07-2012, 08:15 AM	#260
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 31,761	also, the machina II acetates are non-lacquered, according to spfc.org. normally acetates are "a special lacquer-coated blank disc" where they "cut a sound-modulated groove into the surface", according to wikipedia. so there's an extra difference between "normal" acetates and the ones used for machina II. lacquer-coated vs. non-lacquered. this might also have an effect on the quality. but i don't know. does anyone else know more about this?

06-07-2012, 08:46 AM	#262
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 21,942	what would have been the reason for these being made that way? Was is simply an issue of cost? was it cheaper to make them (non-lacquered)?

06-07-2012, 08:58 AM	#263
New Art Rioter Apocalyptic Poster Location: vortex of lost souls Posts: 1,566	The reason they sound worn isn't because they're on dubplates Dubplates should sound AMAZING, the lack of sound quality comes from either bad mastering/a bad cut/issues before the tracks reached the cutting engineer If a track is cut to a dub, then the sound quality won't degrade over time without being played - increased play will result in more snap, crackle and pop, but not in 30 plays, think more like 90 ish. The tracks won't sound muffled as M2 does, just more hiss n' crackle. Also remember when the rips were made, I'm guessing they would have been on at least one of the first play throughs for most of the varients circulating, though this is speculation - they all sound quite similiar from my memory Seeing some of the released tracks do sound better/clearer than the vinyl rips of M2 (Real Love springs to mind), I'd hazard a guess the sound issues are due to mastering issues, or issues with the cutting engineer. Agreed they do sound raw, but I remember at the time that seemed to add to the charm after people's feelings on the production of M1

06-07-2012, 08:59 AM	#264
emilem Demi-God Posts: 255	it was an issue of being an ass and making a stupid statement. if it was an issue of cost he would dub 25 tapes at his home. these are not dubplates, these ar hand cut lathes. dubplates are pressed, these are... well, hand cut. dubplates are made from master plates, i mean. hand cut lathe are individually cut to disc in real time.

06-07-2012, 09:13 AM	#266
emilem Demi-God Posts: 255	wait, yuou're right. anyway, here's some videos of the process. manufactured dub plates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4CRd0JXvdk hand cut lathes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4H_mLrej4Y

06-07-2012, 10:19 AM	#269
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,562	Jesus Christ. We all thought you were Monte's right hand man. You know, the guy who posted on Crestfallen all the time, bigged up Byrne and defended BC in the face of reality? When did you and Monte fall out? Did he not spoon you to sleep one night? did you feel rejected? Tell Netphoria. Everyone care.