I have somewhat of an apology to make (or, Calling Sleeper to this thread)

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I kind of fail to see how anyone who reached college level education in the 21st century can believe that objective truths are knowable

i could write a long paragraph here about what i think truth and objectivity is but i'm just gonna say: i'm a pragmatist, more or less. i reject truth as a metaphysical entity and try to see it as a tool that we all use every day and we can't help it. all of a sudden being super-skeptical about truth when it comes to gender for example is inconsistent and, since you all like science so much, unscientific.

[sleeper]

Interesting. A lot of people seem to think that debating religion is futile and pointless and that nobody ever really changes their mind, and I guess this confirms that it's possible, that you can plant seeds of doubt that later come to fruition. I respect you for having the courage to go through this gut wrenching process of reappraisal -- shows that you're more devoted to truth than you are attached to comfort.

Interesting to note is that I've changed my mind a lot too. I'm still atheistic (I find the idea of a creator god plainly absurd, juvenile) but I'm very sympathetic with most religious people now. I see more clearly how good and noble their motives are. I respect them for taking very seriously and proactively engaging with moral questions (theres nothing more important). They generally have good values.
Not all religious people fit this description, to say the least, and I think religion is practically and ultimately an impediment to answering those questions, as would be any ideology or dogma. But I relate to religious people a lot now, I think I understand them in ways I never did before.

[reprise85]

group hug

[Debaser]

Christ. This thread.

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by sleeper

Interesting. A lot of people seem to think that debating religion is futile and pointless and that nobody ever really changes their mind, and I guess this confirms that it's possible, that you can plant seeds of doubt that later come to fruition. I respect you for having the courage to go through this gut wrenching process of reappraisal -- shows that you're more devoted to truth than you are attached to comfort.

Interesting to note is that I've changed my mind a lot too. I'm still atheistic (I find the idea of a creator god plainly absurd, juvenile) but I'm very sympathetic with most religious people now. I see more clearly how good and noble their motives are. I respect them for taking very seriously and proactively engaging with moral questions (theres nothing more important). They generally have good values.
Not all religious people fit this description, to say the least, and I think religion is practically and ultimately an impediment to answering those questions, as would be any ideology or dogma. But I relate to religious people a lot now, I think I understand them in ways I never did before.

wow. can't say i expected that. heartwarming, sort of

[Luke de Spa]

okay who wants to play mario kart

[duovamp]

Mario's not a CHRISTIIIIAAAANNN!!!!!

[Trotskilicious]

i will

[Trotskilicious]

even if it's for dorky children

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

okay who wants to play mario kart

super mario kart? you don't know what you're up against

[Dead Frequency]

I can beat the first ghost level as toad in under 30 seconds.

[duovamp]

Neeeerd.

I call Princess. Eat it, fuckers.

[Trotskilicious]

i'm bowser and i lose and i'm okay with that

[cocksure]

bowser is so bad

toad and koopa is where its at

[duovamp]

Bowser is srsly hard mode.