I have somewhat of an apology to make (or, Calling Sleeper to this thread)

mayfuck cocksure and eric blair are officially the stupidest fakes on this board. just something to think about.

just something to think about

- The Party King

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Graveflower

mayfuck cocksure and eric blair are officially the stupidest fakes on this board. just something to think about.

just something to think about

- The Party King

i like eric blair (and go back and forth with cocksure) but i think i get what you're saying

i like all three of them
but they are full of shit with their posturing on this issue
they're as bad as the dick atheists (like you (eulogy)) who just want to prove to everyone how enlightened they are
its like sucksuckstyle talking about how wonderful people who hate fags in california are
its all bullshit
and i'm sick of it
vote for me

just something to think about

- The Party King

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

I really do empathize (sympathize?) with all of this, but her being a closeted bisexual nonbeliever does damage to every other non-heterosexual nonbeliever. She's old enough. If she's financially dependent, I get it. Otherwise, she needs to be honest. She will never be happy.

I agree 100%, but I don't know how to help her get to that point. I mean, she is financially dependent, but it has more to do with not wanting to disappoint her parents. Whenever we talk about it, it comes down to, "You just can't understand because you didn't grow up in this house."

[reprise85]

there's probably a good chance she'll get sick of having to lie. imo

[redbreegull]

yeah. I mean I hope so. It's almost like she has this compartmentalized identity, which I guess is true of everyone, but not to the point where their worldview turns on it's head when they go home for the holidays.

[Dead Frequency]

You heard about the priest that got caught having an affair with the maid? Yeah, they found his vest in her pantry and and her pants in his vestry. *kazoo*

[null123]

Originally Posted by Graveflower

mayfuck cocksure and eric blair are officially the stupidest fakes on this board. just something to think about.

just something to think about

- The Party King

don't forget meeee I agree with them (as far as I can tell)

i don't remember you being quite as eye-rollingly annoying about it as they were and you at least used to be religious so it doesn't seem to be 100% look how evolved i am nonsense

also we're not allowed to call women dumb on here anymore

just something to think about

- The Party King

[null123]

totally dude

[slunken]

pretty good circle jerk if you ask me

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

I remember when sleeper complained about his jamaican workers and called them lazy and made sure to point out they were jamaican. I remember when he said black names are 'grotesque' sleeper sucks, don't apologize to him.

ropeylopey was his roommate, right? he's also an unrepentant racist.

[duovamp]

I only had a few interesting talks with ropeylopey, but I don't think English was his first language, so he came off as being extremely frank about stuff. That might've offset the perception of him. idk.

Anyhow, tcm was the person who convinced me to move from "I don't know, and I don't care, because it's never affected me" to "That's clearly a bunch of made up crap." I told him about it and he had no clue he'd done so, and never intended to do so either.

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno man, i know everyone thinks i'm obsessed but ropes did say that apartheid was a good thing

amongst other racist shit

[MyOneAndOnly]

wait... wha?

Eulogy, why you taking communion?

you still believe in all that? Patriarchy, transubstantiation, child molesters, etc.? what did I miss cause I thought you weren't coll with that

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i dunno man, i know everyone thinks i'm obsessed but ropes did say that apartheid was a good thing

amongst other racist shit

Well every thing, no matter how horrible, has some positive outcome. He was probably just playing devil's advocate.

[Trotskilicious]

ew no

[exactlythesame]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

I didn't recognize this for what it was at the time because I was only 14, but losing belief in god fucked me up for years. Maybe it still does. It took me til I was 18-19 to finally really accept it. In the interim I accepted it intellectually, but emotionally still did not. After that the guilt/anxiety over it went away completely, but there is still kind of a psychological hole there that I haven't figured out. I was deeply religious when I was a Christian, which I think you were too. It's hard.

Also I remember you made fun of me for reasoning my way out of religion via internet debates.

ironically enough, the biggest tool i've used in my search for answers has been the internet.

as some of you may remember (probably not), i was raised as one of jehovah's witnesses. thankfully, there are a ton of resources on the web about the fallacious and sometimes two-faced things that organization does, and it really helped me to see that there were problems with my religion. after that, the critical consideration of belief in god was the next natural step. there isn't much left after you let go of that.

the most important realization i've had is that my religious beliefs were solely emotionally based. JWs like to tout that they are the only christian religion that is based on "facts" and "reasoning," but in reality, it's the same emotional motivations packaged differently than the rest: feels good to think your loved ones will be brought back to life, feels good that the earth will be turned into a paradise, feels good that you'll live forever, feels good that everyone says they love each other, feels good that you have a complete "explanation" of the purpose of life and the universe, etc... sad thing is, none of those are intellectually based at all. just emotional reasons for belief.

charmbag, i must commend you for being one of the more well-spoken posters here and always keeping your cool. cheers for knowing what it's like.

[exactlythesame]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

hiiiiiiiiiiii exactlythesame. i guess you can think about changing your name now, huh!

well i am exactly the same.

oh boy, the arguments i've had to have with my family on this subject. have constantly had to argue that i'm not a different person, i can still be moral and always will be with or without belief in god. to some christians, it's unfathomable that people are capable of this: they sincerely believe that all morals stem from the bible and that without it, we would all devolve into anarchists who rape, pillage, and destroy others and ourselves because we wouldn't give a shit without god to stop us.

what a silly thing to consider

[Trotskilicious]

i had a roommate that was raised fundamentalist catholic and then broke away from that but she would latch on to particular philosophies and lifestyles in a very religious, intolerant way

[Trotskilicious]

like she started the real food diet shortly after she moved in and i'd have to listen to her lecture about yadda yadda if i was eating whataburger. she was incredibly fundamentalist about the diet and it was kind of a downer because you couldn't even make food without her going over all the different ways canned tomatoes are gonna give you cancer.

actually now that i think about it charmbag being raised religious explains the dogmatic, inflexible way she approaches feminism.

[duovamp]

Without dogma, she is nothing.

[Trotskilicious]

nah she's pretty cool i like charmbag i've learned many things from her

[exactlythesame]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

yeah, but that's not what he's saying. You're talking about regret. I've spoken with many people who've said this. They grieve as if an actual person died. Like they've suffered some horrible loss.

I've never understood people saying shit like that about religion. Maybe it's because I came to that realization in my teens, and I haven't devoted my life to intentionally remaining ignorant about the world. Even when I was a kid I don't think I ever really bought into it 100%. I don't get it and I never will. What is there to grieve for?

when I admitted to myself I was an atheist I felt like the world opened up. Like I went from a tiny little stale, restrictive perspective to an amazing, huge, interesting world. Something so much bigger and better than any religion could ever provide.

i read a psychological analysis of people who had lost their religion (will try to find it so i can share) that said this sense of loss comes from the belief in god, particularly in monotheistic religions. he essentially must "die" in your mind for you to be able to let go, and all the steps of guilt have to be worked through if he was ever considered real.

glad you didn't have to put up with all the bullshit, but it is very real for some people and can be difficult. especially considering the fact that my usual support group (my family and close friends) have become distant or even against me for considering any of this.

[Trotskilicious]

my parents are agnostic so becoming athiest was pretty easy

i flirted around with religion but when it got down to it i just never actually could believe in an invisible thing

[Trotskilicious]

i mean, i find storm more compelling than god

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

nah she's pretty cool i like charmbag i've learned many things from her

Whoa I wasn't talking about Charmbag.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i mean, i find storm more compelling than god

From X-Men?

[exactlythesame]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

like she started the real food diet shortly after she moved in and i'd have to listen to her lecture about yadda yadda if i was eating whataburger. she was incredibly fundamentalist about the diet and it was kind of a downer because you couldn't even make food without her going over all the different ways canned tomatoes are gonna give you cancer.

actually now that i think about it charmbag being raised religious explains the dogmatic, inflexible way she approaches feminism.

this is an interesting phenomena. not sure if it applies across the board, as i haven't really found anything to be passionately dogmatic about in religion's stead, but i can see how, without religion, there would be a hole to be filled.

i'd rather just focus on my hobbies / becoming a better man / improving my economic status. seems much more beneficial to myself and those around me than judging them over the fat in fast food.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by duovamp

From X-Men?

yes

claremont 80s mohawk storm is my god