What if Hubbard's Dianetics theory was only applied to war veterans?

[Catherine Wheel]

It seems like his theory would be more useful and appropriate if it was just applied to war veterans instead of the general population. His idea that there is a "reactive mind" (or, "unconscious mind") that acts as a record of shock, trauma, pain, and otherwise harmful memories would work perfectly with people suffering from PTSD. What if his theory was altered just fit with war veterans and erasing this reactive mind of veterans was attempted? I imagine that the trauma and painful memories of someone who wasn't a veteran could be so subtle and submerged that it wouldn't be possible to erase. I figure that a veteran's trauma and painful memories are more on the surface so his theory would fit better with them.

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[reprise85]

del why am i responding to this seriously.

[Catherine Wheel]

Originally Posted by reprise85

Trauma is trauma, I don't see how it's more likely to work in one case than another.

Similar theories are already used, and they don't have the retardasia that dianetics brings with it. Also, your brain is not a tape recorder.

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But there are different types and severity of trauma. How can you honestly compare the trauma of someone who has been in / through a war to someone who hasn't?

[Catherine Wheel]

What's wrong with responding to this seriously? You said similar theories are already used but then for someone reason you decide it's not worth taking seriously.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

But there are different types and severity of trauma. How can you honestly compare the trauma of someone who has been in / through a war to someone who hasn't?

Okay. Let me put it better.

Severe trauma is severe trauma, and just because one is more indirect doesn't really change the quality of the PTSD symptoms, in my experience and research.

Yes it is different than years of inference that you are a piece of shit or whatever but incident to incident, not talking about complex PTSD, there are not a lot of differences in symptom presentation.

And those vets who get PTSD are much more likely to have childhood abuse backgrounds than those who don't. Basically the trauma gets superimposed over other trauma, so it's not so simple as it might seem.

I don't think erasing anything is ever good.

I don't know enough about dianetics to compare actual techniques but it sounds really dumb to me.

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[reprise85]

where's in b4 reprise when you need him

[Starla]

Obviously Ron Hubbard doesn't understand how the mind receives and processes trauma, or how PTSD works. As it is, he disagrees with psychotropic medicine and psychiatry.

[reprise85]

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[Starla]

Let's talk seriously.

I think Hubbard believed in a lot of self inflicted punishment for our weaknesses and he looked for alternative methods to address human weakness.

Sometimes, there are unconscious feelings of self hate connected to PTSD with war veterans due to the inability to forgive themselves for whatever took place. I can't imagine trying to apply Hubbard's theories to that treatment.

[reprise85]

Right, I agree.

It's way too complicated to just "erase memories" or whatever "imprints" it's made on your conscious and unconscious. Even if it seems relatively uncomplicated, PTSD is not just flashbacks, it affect your whole value system and can make you question a ton of shit - your morality, your memories, what is important. Then there is survivor's guilt. And other symptoms like dissociation. etc etc

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