siamese dream mystery

[T&T]

Originally Posted by Rider

Think of it like this. They master Gish, Billy makes them recut the lacquer twice for silly reasons. SD gets mastered Billy makes them recut SD, engineer get pissed hides a few extra numbers in the matrix.

This happened when they were cutting the lacquer it's the only thing that makes sense.

TWICE? no.
twice is not a big deal.
a dude like Billy Corgan probably had them cut it over a dozen times.
Billy Corgan probably personally bitched out the a guy with 40 years of experience and told him how to do his job.

[Netphorian Gadabout]

Anybody got a pic of the matrix codes?

[great poster]

damn he hasn't even tweeted about it you know it must be serious

[Rider]

Originally Posted by T&T

TWICE? no.
twice is not a big deal.
a dude like Billy Corgan probably had them cut it over a dozen times.
Billy Corgan probably personally bitched out the a guy with 40 years of experience and told him how to do his job.

Exactly, or maybe it was someone who had a grudge from somewhere In the past. There is very little doubt in my mind that this was done by someone fucking with Billy.

This is not Billy's style at all. We've all seen his weird writing, heard his rants, and seen the mysterious babble he loves to spew. Even when he is pissed he never get's crude like this.

This is the type of thing someone dose to vent and figures they will never get caught.

[Zerospaced]

I'm still baffled by the fact that no one is mentioning it on any of the blogs. Someone should send it to a professional music blog maybe then it will get some attention. Pitchfork?

[T&T]

do your part and post it to other music message boards.... :shurg:
I wanna see this on pitchfork on monday. it's gold.


billy is being tight lipped because he's lawyering up???!!!

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Rider

The fact that it is only on SD and not on Gish makes me think it's not Billy. If it was him it would have been some grand plan to do it on all the reissues before he got tired of it.

yea i'll admit the first thing i did was check my copy of reissue gish.

i like the theory about pissing off the cutter but why the we love you? it all seems too planned and not an angry act of revenge. bands often go through tons of test pressings before the final product is okayed so on a professional level i find it hard to believe.

if anything it was a half-baked scheme billy joked about and someone took it too seriously and actually did something similar to what he was suggesting. it happened and he's mad.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Rider

We've all seen his weird writing, heard his rants, and seen the mysterious babble he loves to spew. Even when he is pissed he never get's crude like this.

see i think it has something to do with billy for these same reasons. i could be wrong though. interesting stuff no doubt.

[stumpycat]

Seriously, aren't "suck my dick", "fuck you", etc. some of Billy's favorite phrases? At least they used to be back in the day.

The lyrics to Slunk: You suck dick like a chump, blah blah blah, we love you, weeeerrrrewerrrwahawahawow, etc.

Only "lick my pussy" is a new one for him.

[New Art Rioter]

Originally Posted by T&T

TWICE? no.
twice is not a big deal.
a dude like Billy Corgan probably had them cut it over a dozen times.
Billy Corgan probably personally bitched out the a guy with 40 years of experience and told him how to do his job.

Bingo. You can imagine what Corgan's reaction to someone fucking with his masterpiece will be. He'll want the person responsible's bollocks served on a plate for this

[ghost-mutt]

Originally Posted by T&T

do your part and post it to other music message boards.... :shurg:
I wanna see this on pitchfork on monday. it's gold.


billy is being tight lipped because he's lawyering up???!!!

maybe he doesn't know

[SlingeroGuitaro]

So this is a big deal, why?

[slunken]

have you ever found something you didn't necessarily lose?

[slunken]

because it's like that

[Lt_Beans_McGood]

TAHTS OUTRAGEOUS!

[Venom]

It's not on Gish? Sounds like somebody at the label in charge of deciding the matrix codes decided to be creative.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Pumpkins23836

Anybody got a pic of the matrix codes?

read the fucking thread: http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...4&postcount=23

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by slunken

i've worked with pressing plants before and it's not about approving the matrix codes. there's only a certain amount of information that must be etched onto the outgroove. the rest of that information is provided by the band or someone working for the band on a form that is filled out with individual boxes etc you know the type.

so it's not about approving the numbers so much as it is who decided that they be put there. it is least likely someone at the plant took it upon themselves to do this that would be too risky.

the guys pressing really don't care what they're pressing on the grooves they just do what they're told. coded language or not.

apparently the news that billy was upset when he found out about these messages has now been reduced to an unconfirmed rumour. it's not even sure if he knows about these yet.

also, someone on spfreaks.com has been able to get in touch with the person who cut the master, and this person confirms he was asked to add these extra codes. he had no idea what they stood for.

so you might be right that o'corrigan is behind these. who knows.
"we love you" screams corgan. i'm not so sure about the other ones though.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

[Cool As Ice Cream]

note that there is a mistake on the last side. it says "2.3.5" (bce love you) instead of "23.5" (we love you).

[Slurpee]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

note that there is a mistake on the last side. it says "2.3.5" (bce love you) instead of "23.5" (we love you).

Mistake? Or a clever way Billy thought of to insert his initials into the code (since 2.3 is BC and 23 is W)?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

what do you think?

[myosis]

i thought someone could just twitter him the link to this thread... or he probably ignores anything netphoria?

[reprise85]

it would give his computer AIDS and he'd hate netphoria even more

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

also, someone on spfreaks.com has been able to get in touch with the person who cut the master, and this person confirms he was asked to add these extra codes. he had no idea what they stood for.

nice.

[jammin]

has corgan addressed this yet?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

not that i know of.

several people try to get in touch with him about it (via other people), and they all got the message that b-corg won't comment on this.

[emilem]

it's billys message to fans stuck in the early 90s. you guys just paid corgan to insult you.

edit: not sure how i ended up in a 2 months old thread. weird.

[jammin]

it is a pretty great thread

[reprise85]

this is the best thing billy's done since zwan