help me understand Jesus - Page 3

Dogfighter28 · 12-20-2011, 12:53 PM

1) The bible has gone through so many translations , from King James taking out what didn't suit him, to language differences, to updates to the modern vernacular, that it is basically a 2000+ year old game of telephone.

2) the notion that a god is just and also punishes humans for being born into one religion or the other is a logical fallacy

3) those who subscribe to deist beliefs (a creator made the universe and it's laws, but divine intervention is not possible) are somewhat more logical, BUT

4) the evidence against a creator is just so or even more compelling than the evidence for. Atheists are innocent until proven guilty

5) Jesus himself can be seen as a parallel to Buddha, mohammed, etc and speaks to the pattern of human belief to rationalize and be persuaded easily

Basically, following Jesus is a cult, one equally as ridiculous, and though his teachings have good elements they are mostly parables and proverbs of common sense that any scholar could formulate. And what's more concerning is that side of Christianity that preaches fear, lack of trust in oneself, and blind faith/submission to authority. Just look at the alignment of these behaviors with the political parties and their likelihood of belief.

cocksure · 12-20-2011, 12:54 PM

btw i think 99% of christianity can be divided into the three main categories of catholic, orthodox and protestant. catholicism is the most monolithic of these, orthodox christianity is very varied but shares communion with at least some of the patriarchs etc. protestantism can best be divided into lutheran, calvinist (including puritan) and radical protestant (anabaptists, quakers, etc.)

cocksure · 12-20-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

catholics do not worship mary (i mean they basically do but they don't call it that). they "honor" her.

yeah you might be right, just a language thing, same word in german

Eulogy · 12-20-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

the fuck are you talking about

that's what muslims and jews believe

nimrod you should tell us about your religious beliefs

cocksure · 12-20-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cocksure

you sound like one of em towelheads

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

the fuck are you talking about

that's what muslims and jews believe

slunken · 12-20-2011, 01:31 PM

armchair theologians

Nimrod's Son · 12-20-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

nimrod you should tell us about your religious beliefs

why, what's the point? you'll just use it as an excuse to push your gay agenda

Eulogy · 12-20-2011, 01:34 PM

what's the point of posting about anything here? you don't have any issue performing perpetual cunnilingus on ayn rand.

and i just think it's funny that you always deflect anything about your religious beliefs and make lame gay jokes instead.

like i've said, it seems like you're embarrassed by your own beliefs.

Nimrod's Son · 12-20-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

what's the point of posting about anything here? you don't have any issue performing perpetual cunnilingus on ayn rand.

and i just think it's funny that you always deflect anything about your religious beliefs and make lame gay jokes instead.

like i've said, it seems like you're embarrassed by your own beliefs.

no it's just that we've been through this before multiple times in the past and it's all been said and done, and you baiting people into getting into nonsense arguments with you isn't something in which i care to participate

slunken · 12-20-2011, 04:30 PM

some thing(s) or some body (bodies) came down from the sky and manipulated us in some way (usually through gifts of language or knowledge in creation myths) that aided us to become the people we are today.

slunken · 12-20-2011, 04:31 PM

concepts of satan are the "bad guys" that believed that this knowledge should be shared with man. the "good guys" didn't want to share these gifts so there was a mutiny and the "good guys" won, i suppose.

you know how history works - whoever wins gets to tell the story from their POV so of course they're going to make themselves the "good guys".

reprise85 · 12-20-2011, 04:37 PM

i would like to hear your beliefs nimrod

this thread has helped me understand more, thanks guys

slunken · 12-20-2011, 04:40 PM

oh my god this song makes so much more sense now

slunken · 12-20-2011, 04:43 PM

feel like a hot-rodded chimpanzee. wanna sleep away this epoch.

slunken · 12-20-2011, 05:00 PM

oh man just realized that giorgio tsoulkalsous guy is the creative producer for A.A.

slunken · 12-20-2011, 05:00 PM

that explains some thangs

Nimrod's Son · 12-20-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by reprise85

i would like to hear your beliefs nimrod

this thread has helped me understand more, thanks guys

most of it is wrong information but whatever helps you out

exactlythesame · 12-20-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cocksure

no. aside from anglicans, who made "protestant yet catholic" their motto, all those other denominations are clearly protestant. luther! sheesh! where do you think protestantism comes from? it is true that lutheranism is closer to catholicism than say calvinism but it still did away with those aspects of the catholic church that were criticised the most in the early modern period.

um. i was giving examples of protestant denominations.

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you somehow assume that "ideally" christianity should look at the bible as its main source. this is by no means self-evident, in fact, it is a protestant doctrine. the distinction between tradition and scripture is also nowhere near as clean-cut as you suggest - a christian will read the bible differently from a muslim etc.

not sure what you're saying here. 'the distinction between tradition and scripture is not clean-cut' = what i was trying to demonstrate with that paragraph.

Mooney · 12-20-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

most of it is wrong information but whatever helps you out

this is the best summation of religion so far!

exactlythesame · 12-20-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

catholics do not worship mary (i mean they basically do but they don't call it that). they "honor" her.

i'll defer to you on this since you've been part of the catholic church, but your parenthetical point is why i used the wording i did.

it is kind of funny to me that when discussing some people's beliefs many have an unclear understanding of what their religion actually teaches. this has almost become secondary any more. just an interesting side point.

Mooney · 12-20-2011, 07:35 PM

abraham, whose schizophrenic visions are the basis for judaism, christianity, and islam, died at the ripe ol' age of 175. i never trust a man a day over 160, myself.

great poster · 12-20-2011, 07:45 PM

i find it hard to grasp that an all-knowing being exists in the skies. i just cannot wrap my head around the concept that such a being could exist despite there being no proof of its existence other than a book written years and years ago.

that's just my opinion though.

Mooney · 12-20-2011, 08:15 PM

http://data.whicdn.com/images/957653...jpg?1304879534

slunken · 12-20-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by great poster

i find it hard to grasp that an all-knowing being exists in the skies.

but could you believe that there are beings out there greater than man?

slunken · 12-20-2011, 08:31 PM

i want to believe

SuckSuckStyle · 12-20-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

most of it is wrong information but whatever helps you out

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nimrod you should tell us about your religious beliefs

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no

come on mike. really?

slunken · 12-20-2011, 08:35 PM

u hav 2 no win to hold em no win to fold em

great poster · 12-20-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken

but could you believe that there are beings out there greater than man?

yeah, sure. there has to be, i guess.

slunken · 12-20-2011, 08:50 PM

EXACTLY

slunken · 12-20-2011, 08:52 PM

i wonder what it was like the day that it was announced that the world wasn't flat? i bet there was a weird dimished feeling going around.

"oh hey everything you know about the world is wrong"

"no shit?"

12-20-2011, 04:30 PM	#70
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	religions some thing(s) or some body (bodies) came down from the sky and manipulated us in some way (usually through gifts of language or knowledge in creation myths) that aided us to become the people we are today.

12-20-2011, 07:35 PM	#81
Mooney Socialphobic Location: halifax Posts: 14,821	abraham, whose schizophrenic visions are the basis for judaism, christianity, and islam, died at the ripe ol' age of 175. i never trust a man a day over 160, myself. __________________

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12-20-2011, 12:53 PM	#61
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,358	1) The bible has gone through so many translations , from King James taking out what didn't suit him, to language differences, to updates to the modern vernacular, that it is basically a 2000+ year old game of telephone. 2) the notion that a god is just and also punishes humans for being born into one religion or the other is a logical fallacy 3) those who subscribe to deist beliefs (a creator made the universe and it's laws, but divine intervention is not possible) are somewhat more logical, BUT 4) the evidence against a creator is just so or even more compelling than the evidence for. Atheists are innocent until proven guilty 5) Jesus himself can be seen as a parallel to Buddha, mohammed, etc and speaks to the pattern of human belief to rationalize and be persuaded easily Basically, following Jesus is a cult, one equally as ridiculous, and though his teachings have good elements they are mostly parables and proverbs of common sense that any scholar could formulate. And what's more concerning is that side of Christianity that preaches fear, lack of trust in oneself, and blind faith/submission to authority. Just look at the alignment of these behaviors with the political parties and their likelihood of belief.

12-20-2011, 12:54 PM	#62
cocksure Apocalyptic Poster Location: dedicated to the feeling of good Posts: 4,363	btw i think 99% of christianity can be divided into the three main categories of catholic, orthodox and protestant. catholicism is the most monolithic of these, orthodox christianity is very varied but shares communion with at least some of the patriarchs etc. protestantism can best be divided into lutheran, calvinist (including puritan) and radical protestant (anabaptists, quakers, etc.)

12-20-2011, 01:31 PM	#66
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	armchair theologians

12-20-2011, 01:34 PM	#68
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,362	what's the point of posting about anything here? you don't have any issue performing perpetual cunnilingus on ayn rand. and i just think it's funny that you always deflect anything about your religious beliefs and make lame gay jokes instead. like i've said, it seems like you're embarrassed by your own beliefs.

12-20-2011, 04:31 PM	#71
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	concepts of satan are the "bad guys" that believed that this knowledge should be shared with man. the "good guys" didn't want to share these gifts so there was a mutiny and the "good guys" won, i suppose. you know how history works - whoever wins gets to tell the story from their POV so of course they're going to make themselves the "good guys".

12-20-2011, 04:37 PM	#72
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	i would like to hear your beliefs nimrod this thread has helped me understand more, thanks guys

12-20-2011, 04:40 PM	#73
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	oh my god this song makes so much more sense now

12-20-2011, 04:43 PM	#74
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	feel like a hot-rodded chimpanzee. wanna sleep away this epoch.

12-20-2011, 05:00 PM	#75
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	oh man just realized that giorgio tsoulkalsous guy is the creative producer for A.A.

12-20-2011, 07:45 PM	#82
great poster Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,565	i find it hard to grasp that an all-knowing being exists in the skies. i just cannot wrap my head around the concept that such a being could exist despite there being no proof of its existence other than a book written years and years ago. that's just my opinion though.

12-20-2011, 08:15 PM	#83
Mooney Socialphobic Location: halifax Posts: 14,821	http://data.whicdn.com/images/957653...jpg?1304879534

12-20-2011, 08:31 PM	#85
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	i want to believe

12-20-2011, 08:35 PM	#87
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	u hav 2 no win to hold em no win to fold em

12-20-2011, 08:52 PM	#90
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	i wonder what it was like the day that it was announced that the world wasn't flat? i bet there was a weird dimished feeling going around. "oh hey everything you know about the world is wrong" "no shit?"