Boy when you get older people get stupid huh

[Dead Frequency]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Seasons change as well as minds.

(No time left for you) On my way to better things (No time left for you) I found myselfsome wings (No time left for you) Distant roads are callin' me (No time left for you) Da-un-da-un-da-un-da-un-da

No time for a summer friend No time for the love you send Seasons change and so did I You need not wonder why You need not wonder why There's no time left for you No time left for you

(No time left for you) On my way to better things (No time left for you) I found myselfsome wings (No time left for you) Distant roads are callin' me (No time left for you) Day-un-day-un-day-un-day-un-day

No time for a gentle rain No time for my watch and chain No time for revolving doors No time for the killin' floor No time for the killin' floor There's no time left for you No time left for you

No time for a summer friend No time for the love you send Seasons change and so did I You need not wonder why You need not wonder why There's no time left for you No time left for you

No time, no time, no time, no time No time, no time, no time, no time I got, got, got, got no time I got, got, got, got no time I got, got, got, got no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no time I got, got, got, got no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no time I got no time, got no time, got no time, got no time, got no time Got no time, got no time

[D.]

I'd like to think I'm in the middle of the exact opposite - atrocious opinions brought about by being brainwashed growing up and now i'm slowly branching out and learning all kinds of shit and being happy being open-minded.

i dunno - i learned a while ago that being hardcore/annoyingly into anything turns a lot of people off. well-roundness is the key.

[Trotskilicious]

i'm literally well rounded does that count

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Dead Frequency

(No time left for you) On my way to better things (No time left for you) I found myselfsome wings (No time left for you) Distant roads are callin' me (No time left for you) Da-un-da-un-da-un-da-un-da

No time for a summer friend No time for the love you send Seasons change and so did I You need not wonder why You need not wonder why There's no time left for you No time left for you

(No time left for you) On my way to better things (No time left for you) I found myselfsome wings (No time left for you) Distant roads are callin' me (No time left for you) Day-un-day-un-day-un-day-un-day

No time for a gentle rain No time for my watch and chain No time for revolving doors No time for the killin' floor No time for the killin' floor There's no time left for you No time left for you

No time for a summer friend No time for the love you send Seasons change and so did I You need not wonder why You need not wonder why There's no time left for you No time left for you

No time, no time, no time, no time No time, no time, no time, no time I got, got, got, got no time I got, got, got, got no time I got, got, got, got no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no time I got, got, got, got no time No-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no-no-no, no time I got no time, got no time, got no time, got no time, got no time Got no time, got no time

[SuckSuckStyle]

Originally Posted by ilikeplanets

Which drugs? The necessary marijuana and xanax, and I have some DMT.

I truly wish there was a way for me to actualize my dreams through the workforce, but I get my kicks off the clock doing things like drugs and sitting on my ass. Any type of job is a hassle for me, so my logic is to try to make the most money I can while being there.

"Living for the weekend" may sound a bit immature, but I find that more people do this than you'd think, even the astute businessmen.

Now for the real concern: my dream writing project! It would be a series of loosely connected essays discussing the universe - everything from practical applications of theoretical physics to pure speculation of space's hidden mysteries. None of it mathematically sound or provable, of course.

me drugs: weed, klonopin, nicotine.

i know exactly what you mean about jobs being a hassle, etc. so more power to you. when I had a "career" you better believe i worked for that cheese. now I manage to scrape by with luck, hustle, and the rich parent safety net (i'm not proud of it, but i don't exploit it). I love being transient.

um that sounds really fun. i started a writing project that includes a lot of universal theories, etc. I took an astronomy class in college because i had to but it stuck with forever and recently i've become incredibly fascinated and interested in the cosmos. i image search supernovas, etc just so i can sit and look at them because they make me feel really good.

I'm currently reading a book called Edgar Cayce and the Cosmos. I think it might be up your alley....

[SuckSuckStyle]

Originally Posted by duovamp

stuart and the ave

omg high school flashback.

one of the first songs i taught myself.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

well as far as i'm concerned if you're a sanctimonious holy roller that hates faggots, yeah i can't really be your friend period because you suck

seriously.

are you kidding me sppunk?

i mean yeah it's usually necessary to maintain civility, but certainly not a friendship.

as of now, this hasn't happened to any of my friends, i don't think. but i'm still pretty young. we'll see what happens when some of them get married and start having kids. ugh. uggggh. grossssssss.

[sppunk]

I didn't get the homophobic thing was a major issue for the dude, that is a dividing point indeed. I mean, I have friends who don't approve of homosexuality but they aren't bigots and don't hate gays.

For someone to turn from noncaring to anti-gay is disturbing.

[Fellatio Mask!]

Originally Posted by sppunk

I have friends who don't approve of homosexuality but they aren't bigots and don't hate gays.

hmm

[sppunk]

They don't believe the lifestyle is ordained by God (they're older people, in their 60s) or whatever. It's bullshit but they don't hate gays, don't talk negative about them, will invite them to dinner, hang out, etc.

From everything I gather, it's akin to people who don't believe in smoking weed. You don't have anything against those who do, just don't approve of the action. It sounds absolutely fucking retarded though now that I typed this out.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

They don't believe the lifestyle is ordained by God (they're older people, in their 60s) or whatever. It's bullshit but they don't hate gays, don't talk negative about them, will invite them to dinner, hang out, etc.

From everything I gather, it's akin to people who don't believe in smoking weed. You don't have anything against those who do, just don't approve of the action. It sounds absolutely fucking retarded though now that I typed this out.

um yeah. because it is fucking retarded.

holy shit, man. you have some thinking to do.

[sppunk]

It's a personal belief, I can't get hung up on others' much unless it's discriminating. Hell, I don't care if people think the earth is flat and Joseph Smith himself impregnated Mary as long as they don't preach it or flaunt it to anyone else.

These people I'm talking about are old-school Church of Christ, I think they feel some sort of guilt there.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

It's a personal belief, I can't get hung up on others' much unless it's discriminating. Hell, I don't care if people think the earth is flat and Joseph Smith himself impregnated Mary as long as they don't preach it or flaunt it to anyone else.

These people I'm talking about are old-school Church of Christ, I think they feel some sort of guilt there.

so casual racism and misogyny are ok too as long as there isn't literal discrimination?

wtf.

[sppunk]

I don't think their beliefs are racist or misogynist though, right? Argh. The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. WHY DO PEOPLE CARE WHAT OTHERS DO?

Trots is right there, fuck them.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

I don't think their beliefs are racist or misogynist though, right? Argh. The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. WHY DO PEOPLE CARE WHAT OTHERS DO?

you're trying to hard to accommodate people who should not be accommodated.

my point was that if their anti-gay thoughts are ok as long as they don't drag gay people behind their pickup trucks, would it be ok if they had anti-woman and anti-black people thoughts too?

[sppunk]

You're right about accommodating. I don't see it as a jump like you, so to me it's not like your thinking. I truly don't think thoughts like those are anything remotely close to hate.

I can see an opposing viewpoint very easily. The more I think the more I see that viewpoint, too, actually.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

You're right about accommodating. I don't see it as a jump like you, so to me it's not like your thinking. I truly don't think thoughts like those are anything remotely close to hate.

Oppression (on any level... i realize that other groups have had / have it worse) is pretty close to hate. and if you don't see how religiously motivated passive homophobes contribute to the parts of anti-gay society that still exist, then you're not thinking about it hard enough.

[ilikeplanets]

Well that might mean something!

[sppunk]

It's not homophobia really though, as they aren't scared or frightened or aim to avert homosexuals. From what I gather they don't believe it's how God wants life interpreted, similar baptists and alcohol or a proportion of Catholics and birth control.

It's fucking retarded, you're right. I'm glad I don't think hard about this shit, it's depressing.

[28if]

Originally Posted by ilikeplanets

Which drugs? The necessary marijuana and xanax, and I have some DMT.

I truly wish there was a way for me to actualize my dreams through the workforce, but I get my kicks off the clock doing things like drugs and sitting on my ass. Any type of job is a hassle for me, so my logic is to try to make the most money I can while being there.

"Living for the weekend" may sound a bit immature, but I find that more people do this than you'd think, even the astute businessmen.

Now for the real concern: my dream writing project! It would be a series of loosely connected essays discussing the universe - everything from practical applications of theoretical physics to pure speculation of space's hidden mysteries. None of it mathematically sound or provable, of course.

apparently it wont require any research so you should just write it.

ithink you should try to find a job that you enjoy. you're going to spend a huge chunk of your time on earth doing it so it might as well be something you feel good about. also you can do tons of other jobs with an english major, don't limit yourself to the typical ones. an english major is basically just a liberal arts education which provides a great background to any career, even if it is something that doesn't require a college degree in the first place.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

my better advice: do what you need to do and find happiness in it.

i remember i told you something similar to this in your multi-page oh no i'm so depressed thread a few months ago and got yelled at. just saying. i think a better phrasing would be "don't do what you enjoy, enjoy what you do." your version makes it seem necessary for everyone to work some shit job.

[Eulogy]

i mean homophobia in the more colloquial sense, and that is exactly what it is (do we need to develop a new term or something?).

and please stop comparing it to smoking pot and using condoms and drinking. when 30 states (or however many it is) amend their constitutions to prohibit birth control then maybe we can have that talk.

you should think hard about it because acceptance of casual and passive religiously motivated bigotry thwarts progress. i'm not saying you need to get in their faces and argue with them, but i would go as far as saying that you shouldn't be friends with people like that. people always freak out when i say that but i've never really understood why.

if people aren't ever compelled to recognize that there are social costs associated with their bullshit belief about the genders of two consenting adults in a sexual relationship, then nothing will ever get better.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

you're trying to hard to accommodate people who should not be accommodated.

my point was that if their anti-gay thoughts are ok as long as they don't drag gay people behind their pickup trucks, would it be ok if they had anti-woman and anti-black people thoughts too?

Tolerance works both ways, bro.

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by mxzombie

are you crazy? kids and teenagers are pretty stupid too. and don't even try telling me that old people aren't stupid, because i spent most of my life in south florida and we got loads of 'em there.

teenagers are the worst, man. old people can be jerks but they don't think they're cool or anything.

[Eulogy]

is there some group of gays organizing to constitutionally ban mormon marriage or something

[SuckSuckStyle]

Originally Posted by sppunk

It's a personal belief, I can't get hung up on others' much unless it's discriminating. Hell, I don't care if people think the earth is flat and Joseph Smith himself impregnated Mary as long as they don't preach it or flaunt it to anyone else.

These people I'm talking about are old-school Church of Christ, I think they feel some sort of guilt there.

i'm totally with you and get exactly what you're saying.

people are going to believe what they believe and it almost never correlates exactly with anyone else's. but that doesnt give reason to treat them any less civil.

i have an old neighbor who has known me since pre-school. old republican lady probably- plays golf, super conservative, doesnt agree with my lifestyle and i'm almost positive she votes against my personal interests. but you know what? she still waves to me on her morning walks, stops to talk to me if she catches me on the way to my car and will not stop doing that until the day she dies. is her passive homophobia really hurting me? we have vastly different beliefs based on different upbringings, and different relationships with god. but we're still neighbors, were still human, and it's still nice to have her as a friend.

what good would it do for me to cut off these types of relationships because they are only 'accommodating' and not 'supporting'? it would make me just as extreme as the major fag haters.

but you know what? by being myself, being a good person, and not flaunting my lifestyle or differences in their faces allows them to see me as human and not a walking civil rights movement. sometimes this has more of an overall impact than parading around and demanding equality. you have to treat them as an equal if you expect the same treatment.


if you think someone who doesn't vote in favor of gay rights by default qualifies to be eliminated from your friend-list, then YOU'RE not thinking about it enough.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by sppunk

It's not homophobia really though, as they aren't scared or frightened or aim to avert homosexuals. From what I gather they don't believe it's how God wants life interpreted, similar baptists and alcohol or a proportion of Catholics and birth control.

It's fucking retarded, you're right. I'm glad I don't think hard about this shit, it's depressing.

you don't have to be actively oppressing someone to be homophobic. It can be a component of your world view, religion, etc., and you can act on it and not consciously think you're a bigot.

If you are raised in a homophobic religion (like catholicism) and you go on to advocate their doctrine, you're practicing homophobia. even if you genuinely feel no ill will.

institutionalized bigotry like that is almost worse than outright bigotry, because it lets it's advocates off the hook. they can hide behind their religion, laws, culture, etc. and not have to face up to it.

but in the end you are not just what you feel, but what you do.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by SuckSuckStyle

if you think someone who doesn't vote in favor of gay rights by default qualifies to be eliminated from your friend-list, then YOU'RE not thinking about it enough.

i get to pick my friends. and i have plenty of them. i don't need to be friends with people who vote against my personal interests and think i live in sin.

but, maintaining civility is important, and i do that, i promise. i'm casual acquaintances with a mormon and some batshit fundie from colorado springs from school, for example. one of them i see and talk to 4 days/week. but we're not friends and never will be. and i'm ok with that.

i mean my undergrad had more than its share of anti-gay catholics. i was always civil. am i friends with any of them? absolutely not.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

you don't have to be actively oppressing someone to be homophobic. It can be a component of your world view, religion, etc., and you can act on it and not consciously think you're a bigot.

If you are raised in a homophobic religion (like catholicism) and you go on to advocate their doctrine, you're practicing homophobia. even if you genuinely feel no ill will.

institutionalized bigotry like that is almost worse than outright bigotry, because it lets it's advocates off the hook. they can hide behind their religion, laws, culture, etc. and not have to face up to it.

but in the end you are not just what you feel, but what you do.

i agree with this

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by SuckSuckStyle

doesnt agree with my lifestyle

also i think this is a huge copout for bigots. being lgb or t is not a "lifestyle."

now, if you're referring to her not approving of the giant ragers you throw every night and the 12 different people you're boning every night or something... then that would be a lifestyle she could conceivably disapprove of.

[yo soy el mejor]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

is there some group of gays organizing to constitutionally ban mormon marriage or something

dooo it!