do you ever watch porn with your significant other?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

don't even know where to begin with this. point me to the study and I'll try to be open minded.

c'maaaaan.

there is no place in the world where pornography is more accessible than in the western world and there is no place in the world where it's better to be female than the western world

i'm not pointing to a direct correlation here but it's not exactly circumspect.

i would generally say that from the 1950s onward violence and sexual violence towards women declined but there's no way to prove that other than circumstantial evidence

[null123]

goddamnit

[AndySlash]

usa

[Mayfuck]

you guys are oddly defensive about porn

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

c'maaaaan.

there is no place in the world where pornography is more accessible than in the western world and there is no place in the world where it's better to be female than the western world

i'm not pointing to a direct correlation here but it's not exactly circumspect.

i would generally say that from the 1950s onward violence and sexual violence towards women declined but there's no way to prove that other than circumstantial evidence

there you have it. and all this time i thought feminism and education were responsible for raising awareness toward violence on women. in fact it was the discovery of porn in 1950.

also we are clearly not sending enough porn to sudan

[Trotskilicious]

right, but the fact is that pornography is more prevalent in this educated and feminist society and it is not in other places

basically what i'm saying is that you're trying to find a scapegoat. It does change the way people think about sex and act on sex but i really dispute the idea that it curates violence towards women

[null123]

I thought you were a history major, trotsky. I mean seriously

[Trotskilicious]

mayfuck do you break people's arguments down to the most simplistic form, not giving them any credit for nuance because you're incapable of it or are you trolling

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

I thought you were a history major, trotsky. I mean seriously

i know i know, you have no rebuttal that you can't fish off a blog instead of thinking for yourself

[null123]

yes only stupid people read

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

mayfuck do you break people's arguments down to the most simplistic form, not giving them any credit for nuance because you're incapable of it or are you trolling

more like nipping a dumb digression in the bud. this thread need not go beyond pointing out how awfully reactionary it is to tell some boarder they have mental issues because they are uncomfortable with porn in the house.

[Trotskilicious]

oh you know i read all the time

especially a lot of the sensationalist feminist pieces because i'm always interested in radical histrionics

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

more like nipping a dumb digression in the bud. this thread need not go beyond pointing out how awfully reactionary it is to tell some boarder they have mental issues because they are uncomfortable with porn in the house.

right because why should you stray too far from your comfortable stable where you just tell other people they are stupid and barely ever present your own reasoning

[Trotskilicious]

y'all never stop drawing lines between yourselves long enough to realize that the capitalist system exploits every soul on the planet

[null123]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

c'maaaaan.

there is no place in the world where pornography is more accessible than in the western world and there is no place in the world where it's better to be female than the western world

i'm not pointing to a direct correlation here but it's not exactly circumspect.

i would generally say that from the 1950s onward violence and sexual violence towards women declined but there's no way to prove that other than circumstantial evidence

culture is not this single-threaded linear thing where you can easily rank cultures. there is not a black and white better or worse. instead there are many factors by which you can consider women's position in society or what the experience of being a woman is like in a particular society. yes women have gained power in a number of ways over the past century. I think increased sexual subjugation and objectification of women can be seen as a response to the gains women have made in other spheres. in any case, the increased wealth and independence of women doesn't simply negate every other struggle.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

culture is not this single-threaded linear thing where you can easily rank cultures. there is not a black and white better or worse.

so why do you care so much

[Dogfighter28]

porn is cool shut up guys

[Dogfighter28]

actually i'm pretty indifferent. i mostly use it to train my stamina.

[null123]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

so why do you care so much

about what

[Trotskilicious]

i mean if everything is relative and nothing is good or bad why give a fuck

[null123]

umm that wasn't really what I was trying to get at. I'm saying you can't say "well things are better overall therefore let's never critique our awesome American culture"

[Trotskilicious]

which is never what i do or say which leads me to believe you're having an argument with a faceless robot, or wish you were

[Trotskilicious]

i mean yes

I'm ALWAYS talking about how GREAT 'MERICA is

all i am saying is that connecting violence towards women with the availability of pornography is profoundly dishonest and manipulative

and i also find it strange that it didn't really come up in the thread we had about feminism and pornography

[null123]

oh. wait so who was connecting violence towards women with pornography

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

right because why should you stray too far from your comfortable stable where you just tell other people they are stupid and barely ever present your own reasoning

i think its okay to assume that as women were considered property, it was probably more acceptable to use violence against them, and where gender roles were far more rigid there was a more broadly defined line for women to cross and be reprimanded for. feminism was a necessary movement for the eradication of those practices so when you introduce the idea pornography as a benchmark for all thats good that happened to women and then play culture olympics with developing nations to support your idea, just seems like a ham-fisted response harkening back to the original idea that vixnix isn't mentally perturbed just cause she doesn't like porn in her household. i mean no one here came out and said porn was evil but still it would not stop them from getting labelled overbearing or crazy because they don't want porn in their relationship

[Trotskilicious]

i didn't really create pornography as a benchmark, i'm saying that the rise in feminism and progressive sexual politics also coincided with the same level of accessability to pornography

basically what i was trying to do is exonerate pornography from feminist witch hunts but that's impossible i'm silly

[Trotskilicious]

and as far as vixnix is concerned i support her decision about pornography, as it is her choice, but would appreciate it if she dumped the guy or stopped whining about it

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

oh. wait so who was connecting violence towards women with pornography

Originally Posted by Charmbag

don't even know where to begin with this. point me to the study and I'll try to be open minded.

RE: your response to eulogy's thing about pornography dropping sexual violence cases

i may have been assuming too much by the phrase "i'll try to be open minded" but the fact that you dismissed it so readily lead me to believe that you think the concept is impossible and i'm very poorly trying to communicate that i don't think there's a link whatsoever

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i didn't really create pornography as a benchmark, i'm saying that the rise in feminism and progressive sexual politics also coincided with the same level of accessability to pornography

basically what i was trying to do is exonerate pornography from feminist witch hunts but that's impossible i'm silly

i dunno thats kinda like saying racism ceased to exist and have an impact on society ever since slavery was abolished. not a perfect analogy but i think you should get the point.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah but i didn't say sexism doesn't exist but you assume so because you think i'm retarded