Do you recycle??

[Esty]

Didn't before but now the city picks it up every two weeks starting 2-3 years ago. Since then, I crush all my juice cartons and cereal boxes. Everything that I can put in there, I do. Not really hard and it annoys me when family comes over and throws shit away. I always tell them to get it out of the trash and throw it in the recycle can. Its not hard.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

I didn't come in here unprompted and start "dick swinging."

....

If I thought for half a second that anyone was actually interested in having a meaningful discussion about the pros and cons of certain kinds of recycling without just posting articles/videos back and forth over the top of each other, then maybe I would start discussing what I do with my own waste. Until then, I am happy to not waste my time.

i guess we have different definitions of dick-swinging!

this is something i don't think many of us know much about. and since it doesn't really involve libertarian philosophies (...it doesn't, does it?) there's no reason it has to be stalled before it starts. i'm curious.

i just hate penn and teller so i didn't wanna let is sit there.

[MyOneAndOnly]

the city I live in picks it up at the curb and seperates it for us. Pretty nice. Almost makes up for having to live next door to the Amway headquarters.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

being smug about not recycling seems to be more obnoxious though.

this

i just throw everything in a bin that gets picked up once every two weeks. YEAH I'M LIKE SUPER PROUD OF MYSELF.

wtf

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by pale_princess

i don't detect any smugness from anyone who recycles. for me it's just something i grew up doing and don't even really think twice about.

i think it's just right wing insecurity issues really.

it's like people hating hipsters because they're so smug

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by PkPhuoko

you grew up doing it because of an insane media campaign during our childhood that turned out to be not so true.

same type of hysterical horse shit that brought us 80's gems like satanic cults are gathering in your cities sewers and are going to sacrifice your kids, and watch out people are putting razor blades in candy.

I hope you realize that you sound like people who deny climate change exists

[redbreegull]

OH ITS JUST A NATURAL PROCESS

[redbreegull]

CRAZY LIBERAL AGENDAS

[redbreegull]

If recycling is bad, exactly why is it on anyone's agenda? Who is supposedly benefiting from this recycling conspiracy?

[reprise85]

money for the trash tycoons

[redbreegull]

it's like when conservatives talk about the agenda behind environmentalism

like... what? who the fuck benefits from spending shit loads of money and completely altering our way of life? can someone show me who is personally benefiting from environmentalism? it's like the only thing they understand is money, and when money isn't the motivator for action it blows their minds

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Yea. Everything that can be recycled is in this house (my parent's house). We keep the cans and pick up other ones too and bring them and other scrap metals to be recycled. It doesn't take a lot of time and you can make a few extra bucks that way.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Taking out the recycling is as tough as taking out the trash here, so I don't know why anyone would complain or drag their feet. It is even free while trash services are not. But maybe this is only where I live

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

like... what? who the fuck benefits from spending shit loads of money and completely altering our way of life? can someone show me who is personally benefiting from environmentalism? it's like the only thing they understand is money, and when money isn't the motivator for action it blows their minds

Are you freaking joking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra

[redbreegull]

so you are suggesting jczeroman that companies like that invest in non mainstream technologies would could very possibly fail and leave them broke because they want to turn profit? makes no sense. You don't know what you are talking about. Politically, you are nimrod without the kenny powers persona

[dudehitscar]

I love Penn and Teller and their show but their libertarian bias really ruins a few episodes.

I did a presentation on why Penn and teller's episode on recycling was wrong. Took their list of 'reasons to recycle' and one by one went through the arguments.

The one thing that really pissed me off about that episode is when they make a crack about the source of this anti-recycling news coming from the New York Times.. As in 'ha ha liberal newspaper thinks recycling is bullshit'. but the guy who wrote the fucking article they quoted is a libertarian.. not some progressive. Intellectual dishonesty at it's best.

The other episodes where Penn and Teller were wrong about was the smoking episode and the endangered species act episode.

[dudehitscar]

the only thing Penn and teller got is that 'it saves money' is kind of bs.. Lots of things cost more money to recycle this is true.

However it's a pretty narrow view of cost. The indirect costs of not recycling are there. Just like there are indirect costs to buying foreign made products over locally made because they are cheaper at walmart. It may save you a dollar today but indirectly cost you 5 dollars in other ways that affect the local economy, health care costs, etc.


Penn and teller just don't like being told what to do and they let that blind themselves from the facts sometimes.

[PkPhuoko]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I hope you realize that you sound like people who deny climate change exists

If that's what you got from that episode and my posts then you're a fucking moron.

Recycling in theory is a fantastic idea... but we as humans have not become efficient enough at it to date.

More effective than recycling would be outlawing certain materials used in every day products and encouraging the use of materials which are more efficiently recycled.

[null123]

Originally Posted by agenda suicide

BUBBLE GUM MONSTER FROM GHOSTWRITER?!?

oh my god I've been looking for this forever and I thought it was from the Goosebumps TV show so I never found it. thank you.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by PkPhuoko

If that's what you got from that episode and my posts then you're a fucking moron.

Recycling in theory is a fantastic idea... but we as humans have not become efficient enough at it to date.

More effective than recycling would be outlawing certain materials used in every day products and encouraging the use of materials which are more efficiently recycled.

good point but you don't have to shit on the concept, the whole idea is to get better at stuff through practice

just because not effective now doesn't mean we should just quit doing it

[Trotskilicious]

unfortunately nobody wants to outlaw stuff like that because freedumb

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

so you are suggesting jczeroman that companies like that invest in non mainstream technologies would could very possibly fail and leave them broke because they want to turn profit? makes no sense. You don't know what you are talking about. Politically, you are nimrod without the kenny powers persona

First you need to acknowledge that I found you one company which was clearly benefiting from environmentalism.

And yes. Absolutely there are companies who "invest" in goods and services which the state subsidizes or makes unsustainably profitable. Have you not heard of Halliburton? Private companies make boatloads of money on government contracts, subsidies and regulations in every other sector. Are you that deluded that you would think that environmental policy would be any different?

[agenda suicide]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

oh my god I've been looking for this forever and I thought it was from the Goosebumps TV show so I never found it. thank you.

Np man. I'm glad someone else remembers this.

[ilikeplanets]

I'm not sure why I was shocked to discover that business' recycling often winds up directly in the trash. I've had to put it there myself many a time, and it's pretty disappointing.

My family used to recycle but for some reason I'm not sure of stopped doing it. I don't do it as often as I should, but I always manage to find a recycling bin for my water bottles when I'm on campus, so I definitely put them in there instead of the trash can. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't if the two are right next to each other, as they often are in public places.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

First you need to acknowledge that I found you one company which was clearly benefiting from environmentalism.

And yes. Absolutely there are companies who "invest" in goods and services which the state subsidizes or makes unsustainably profitable. Have you not heard of Halliburton? Private companies make boatloads of money on government contracts, subsidies and regulations in every other sector. Are you that deluded that you would think that environmental policy would be any different?

i think the point is that it's not even close to the most efficient or predictable way to make those boatloads of money.

[Mo]

A bit, I guess.
We separate paper, cans, grocery cartons, organic waste, bottles and non-recyclable waste.


Look at me, sounding like a dirty smelly hippie.

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i think the point is that it's not even close to the most efficient or predictable way to make those boatloads of money.

If I am Hailliburton and I want to make money, would I rather:

a) get a no-bid contract and be able to name my price for my goods and services with little accountability or oversight as well as have the government pick up the cost for portions of the manufacture, delivery and even consumption of my products as well as generating the "demand" for what my company does via legislation, regulation and policy. My risk is born by the government.

b) have to compete with other companies for clients, pay my full costs plus taxes, and do so against the current wave of regulations and policy initiatives. If I fail, I go bankrupt.

Yea, you're right. I'd much rather have to pay more to earn less and bear the risk.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

If I am Hailliburton and I want to make money, would I rather:

a) get a no-bid contract and be able to name my price for my goods and services with little accountability or oversight as well as have the government pick up the cost for portions of the manufacture, delivery and even consumption of my products as well as generating the "demand" for what my company does via legislation, regulation and policy. My risk is born by the government.

b) have to compete with other companies for clients, pay my full costs plus taxes, and do so against the current wave of regulations and policy initiatives. If I fail, I go bankrupt.

Yea, you're right. I'd much rather have to pay more to earn less and bear the risk.

I meant working in new and unproven technologies as opposed to something tried and true like militarized industry but ok

[yo soy el mejor]

i watched goosebumps. all i can really remember is the intro. 'we check out clues and solve mysteries'