When Mormons come to your house and try to steal your shit...

Gad,

You seem to be one of the only few here that doesn't understand this. Does, by him being Mormon, make him held to a higher standard than anyone else? Does is somehow make him inferior? The relevance of his religion plays nothing in this.

The whole point of this thread was a bigoted attempt to ridicule someone because of their faith. Very fucking uncool.

Making comments like, "Isn't there some commandment about doing stuff like that?" is extremely childish. Regardless, his denomination plays nothing into this rhetorical question of Christian doctrine.

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Originally posted by Affectation:

You seem to be one of the only few here that doesn't understand this. Does, by him being Mormon, make him held to a higher standard than anyone else? Does is somehow make him inferior? The relevance of his religion plays nothing in this.

The whole point of this thread was a bigoted attempt to ridicule someone because of their faith. Very fucking uncool.

Making comments like, "Isn't there some commandment about doing stuff like that?" is extremely childish. Regardless, his denomination plays nothing into this rhetorical question of Christian doctrine.

Actually I think he was just using the Mormon reference to not-so-subtly idendify Monte in the original post.

Then everything just flamed up because of Monte's "holier than you" attitude and refusal to recognise the severity of his action. If a friend tried to copy ANY cd of mine (rare or not) without my permission when I wasn't around I would be quite pissed off too. Then to smugly say I'm sorry and my religion allows me quick and complete forgiveness so chill out just adds fuel to the flame.


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That's when you pull out the power hose.

"I am holier than thou so my religion excuses me." Fuck that. That's what Al-Quida is. Religious ideas gone arwy.

yes yes stealing is wrong blah blah blah behind the back blah blah blah monte bent over and taking it in the blah blah blah....

i don't own any bootlegs. so explain to me why someone would want to hoard a bootleg instead of freely distributing it? is it just so you can sell it for a higher price? is it just so you can feel extra special?

[This message has been edited by Debaser (edited 07-24-2002).]

Originally posted by Debaser:
yes yes stealing is wrong blah blah blah behind the back blah blah blah monte bent over and taking it in the blah blah blah....

i don't own any bootlegs. so explain to me why someone would want to hoard a bootleg instead of freely distributing it? is it just so you can sell it for a higher price? is it just so you can feel extra special?

[This message has been edited by Debaser (edited 07-24-2002).]

Because he was asked by the person who gave it to him, to not burn it and distribute it.

Originally posted by MisterSquishyHalo:
Because he was asked by the person who gave it to him, to not burn it and distribute it.

but what is the reasoning behind that? whats wrong with distributing it?

Originally posted by Affectation:
Gad,

You seem to be one of the only few here that doesn't understand this. Does, by him being Mormon, make him held to a higher standard than anyone else? Does is somehow make him inferior? The relevance of his religion plays nothing in this.

The whole point of this thread was a bigoted attempt to ridicule someone because of their faith. Very fucking uncool.

Making comments like, "Isn't there some commandment about doing stuff like that?" is extremely childish. Regardless, his denomination plays nothing into this rhetorical question of Christian doctrine.

I couldn't have said it better myself.



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Originally posted by Debaser:
but what is the reasoning behind that? whats wrong with distributing it?

I dont know what the reasoning is, but if someone burnt something for you, and asked you not to burn it out, wouldnt it be correct to not do so?

Originally posted by Affectation:
Gad,

You seem to be one of the only few here that doesn't understand this. Does, by him being Mormon, make him held to a higher standard than anyone else? Does is somehow make him inferior? The relevance of his religion plays nothing in this.

The whole point of this thread was a bigoted attempt to ridicule someone because of their faith. Very fucking uncool.

Making comments like, "Isn't there some commandment about doing stuff like that?" is extremely childish. Regardless, his denomination plays nothing into this rhetorical question of Christian doctrine.

Then it's settled... MonteLDS is an asshole DESPITE his religion!

Let's all get naked and celebrate!



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Originally posted by MisterSquishyHalo:

I dont know what the reasoning is, but if someone burnt something for you, and asked you not to burn it out, wouldnt it be correct to not do so?

yes yes i agree with that. i just wanted to know why a bootlegger doesn't want to share thats all.

Originally posted by Lie:
If one of my friends did that to me, I would probably end the friendship immediately

Uh...You don't think that would be a bit harsh?

And what's the deal with not freely distributing bootelgs? That's something I just don't understand.

Originally posted by Eulogy:
Uh...You don't think that would be a bit harsh?

And what's the deal with not freely distributing bootelgs? That's something I just don't understand.

Of course I would wait and see if they were really sorry, and if they realized what they'd done. But chances are, they wouldn't. People who do stuff like that are usually not sorry they did it, they're sorry they got caught. If someone asked me if they could have a copy of something, and I said no, and if they then proceeded to steal it behind my back, that's really fucking shitty. I would never do anything like that.

As for the distribution of bootlegs, I'm all for being generous and sharing them, but if people don't want to, it's something you have to respect. Having bootlegs that aren't freely distributed is often the only way you can get your hands on other bootlegs that aren't freely distributed.

Originally posted by Lie:

Having bootlegs that aren't freely distributed is often the only way you can get your hands on other bootlegs that aren't freely distributed.

aha, finally an answer.

Originally posted by Lie:


As for the distribution of bootlegs, I'm all for being generous and sharing them, but if people don't want to, it's something you have to respect. Having bootlegs that aren't freely distributed is often the only way you can get your hands on other bootlegs that aren't freely distributed.

I don't think I need to respect people for being greedy little bitches.

And if every bootleg was freely distributed, then there would be no problem.

so essentailly you are pissed at monte for stealing something from you that you stole from another, unless of course billiam gave it to you personally.

bah whatever. time to let this die.

Originally posted by Eulogy:
And if every bootleg was freely distributed, then there would be no problem.

Communist.

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Originally posted by DeviousJ:
Communist.

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Originally posted by Affectation:
Making comments like, "Isn't there some commandment about doing stuff like that?"

Aff, my dear boy.

My original statement was in the form of a question, hence the "?" mark at the end.

Over three pages of chatter, and not one person had the sense to answer me. I cannot control the direction a thread goes.

It was to my understanding that Mormons had a set of commandments they are to follow. One of them being, "Thou shalt not steal".

Jon attempted to steal, and I was questioning how that worked within his faith. I now see that he can simply "repent" to this "God" and that everything is cool and fine. He feels fine about what he has done and doesn't care about how I feel, because his "God" will forgive him. That's pretty neat.

Originally posted by tootsie:
something from you that you stole from another, unless of course billiam gave it to you personally.

bah whatever. time to let this die.

Bootlegging isn't stealing unless it's done for profit

Originally posted by DeviousJ:
mormonic?

i don't want to support this thread but this made me giggle.

oh to be mormonic.

exactly. did monte want to sell it?

Originally posted by Eulogy:
I don't think I need to respect people for being greedy little bitches.

yes, how dare BC allow someone to have a soundboard recording of his band's performance on the condition that they not to distribute it! what a greedy little bitch BC is!

Originally posted by The Gaddrow:


It was to my understanding that Mormons had a set of commandments they are to follow. One of them being, "Thou shalt not steal".

Fine points. I just don't think that his denomination should have been mentioned. It comes off like you are talking down on his beliefs. That commandment is is universal in the faith based on Elohim or Jehovah. Basically all religions.

Ok, the reason people don't want bootlegs freely distributed is because the quality goes down over time because of things like bad burnings, mp3-ing, etc. People want the quality of these recordings to be impeccable, and giving it to the whole community is gonna fuck that up eventually. Also, a lot of the time these rare bootlegs, once given to the traders as a whole, will end up on places like ebay, which is bad.

Originally posted by The Gaddrow:
Aff, my dear boy.

My original statement was in the form of a question, hence the "?" mark at the end.

Over three pages of chatter, and not one person had the sense to answer me. I cannot control the direction a thread goes.

It was to my understanding that Mormons had a set of commandments they are to follow. One of them being, "Thou shalt not steal".

Jon attempted to steal, and I was questioning how that worked within his faith. I now see that he can simply "repent" to this "God" and that everything is cool and fine. He feels fine about what he has done and doesn't care about how I feel, because his "God" will forgive him. That's pretty neat.[/b]

so if you dont live by any commandments, you shouldnt be offended if they are broken because they arent there in the first place

This isn't about religion- it's about character assassination

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Originally posted by 13:
This isn't about religion- it's about character assassination

Character Assassination heh.

This has become a very big deal. Would you all have reacted the same way if he were Jewish... wait Jews don't steal. Do they?

i agree with everything that affectation said. the whole concept of this thread seems pretty fucking mean spirited and pretty immature. it's pretty much just as bad as what monte tried to do. the mature thing to do would have been to have a discussion with monte about the situation and possibly make a decision based on that conversation regarding your friendship. just reading this thread made me feel like i was in high school again. i'm not saying that you shouldn't have been pissed about it *****, but how was handling it like this supposed to rectify the situation(unless you were only seeking petty revenge because you knew people would rip into him)? and i don't see where him being a mormon has any play in this. he's a human being. capable of fucking up just like the rest of us. to believe that your beliefs makes you immune from human nature is just silly. so to me this seems like not only a thread made out of anger over the situtation(which is a bit undersatndable) but also a thread made to ridicule monte for his particular religious beliefs(which is pretty shitty).

and this is ONLY my personal opinion based on what i have seen in this thread since i really don't know any of the people involved.

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Originally posted by Oblivious:
i agree with everything that affectation said. the whole concept of this thread seems pretty fucking mean spirited and pretty immature. it's pretty much just as bad as what monte tried to do. the mature thing to do would have been to have a discussion with monte about the situation and possibly make a decision based on that conversation regarding your friendship. just reading this thread made me feel like i was in high school again. i'm not saying that you shouldn't have been pissed about it *****, but how was handling it like this supposed to rectify the situation(unless you were only seeking petty revenge because you knew people would rip into him)? and i don't see where him being a mormon has any play in this. he's a human being. capable of fucking up just like the rest of us. to believe that your beliefs makes you immune from human nature is just silly. so to me this seems like not only a thread made out of anger over the situtation(which is a bit undersatndable) but also a thread made to ridicule monte for his particular religious beliefs(which is pretty shitty).

and this is ONLY my personal opinion based on what i have seen in this thread since i really don't know any of the people involved.

it's because mike is a pussy and can only confront people via the internet, he also likes people to feel sorry for him