why is obama at martha's vinyard instead of creating jobs?

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20093801.shtml

So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

lol

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[duovamp]

Why won't he just leave the damn market alone and get to work creating jobs like the rest of us?

[redbull]

thread title is fox news headline

[duovamp]

The problem here is taxes. Too much taxes and too much government debt.

[Trotskilicious]

how does the right hold an executive responsible for creating jobs when they want the government to slash spending

why can't these people ever be ideologically consistent? is it because so much of their base are the uneducated and the divinely inspired?

[Future Boy]

no because its an easy attack that works

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

how does the right hold an executive responsible for creating jobs when they want the government to slash spending

why can't these people ever be ideologically consistent? is it because so much of their base are the uneducated and the divinely inspired?

the right is concerned with private sector jobs, not public sector jobs

[redbreegull]

which it wants the government to help create without spending any money

[Trotskilicious]

Right, how does a president create private sector jobs? Taxes are already low, you can't keep slashing them to spur "growth" what happens when there's nothing left to slash. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

which it wants the government to help create without spending any money

it wants the government to create a positive atmosphere for businesses to create jobs

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

Right, how does a president create private sector jobs? Taxes are already low, you can't keep slashing them to spur "growth" what happens when there's nothing left to slash. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

[Trotskilicious]

uh huh.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

you live in fantasy

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you live in fantasy

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-...t-obama-2011-7

Wynn CEO Goes On Epic Anti-Obama Rant On Company Conference Call
Joe Weisenthal | Jul. 18, 2011, 6:51 PM | 547,776 | 577

Image: AP
Who doesn't love a good rant?
We certainly do, and as usual, Steve Wynn, the CEO of casino company Wynn Resorts, delivered on his company's quarterly conference call today.
Via Seeking Alpha, here's the crux of it:
"I believe in Las Vegas. I think its best days are ahead of it. But I'm afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what's going on on this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President and nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress. But everybody is so political, so focused on holding their job for the next year that the discussion in Washington is nauseating.
And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next 3 hours giving you examples of all of us in this market place that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, that keeps using that word redistribution. Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they are frightened of this administration.And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America.
You bet and until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it's not going to change. And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it are going to sit in fear of the President. And a lot of people don't want to say that. They'll say, God, don't be attacking Obama. Well, this is Obama's deal and it's Obama that's responsible for this fear in America.
The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution and maybe we ought to do something to businesses that don't invest, their holding too much money. We haven't heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. Everybody's afraid of the government and there's no need soft peddling it, it's the truth. It is the truth. And that's true of Democratic businessman and Republican businessman, and I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid. I support Democrats and Republicans. And I'm telling you that the business community in this company is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-...#ixzz1VhCk4de7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

it's not taxes, it's also regulations, red tape, and the constant threat of tax increases.

Nimrod's Son is right here. Think about how many more nurses we'd need to hire if we deregulate things like meat packaging. Sure the people employed to check their practices would lose their jobs - but they can get new jobs working as meat packers!

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-...t-obama-2011-7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

What on earth kind of argument is he making though? That people are afraid to invest money because of changes to regulations? That's just an excuse for being horrible at investing tbh. Good investors are making tons of money right now.

"People are afraid to invest in my business because of regulations!" Then your business model blows, guy.

He says Barack is making speeches about redistribution, but I think he's just making crap up he heard on Fox News, since I'd be pretty sure Barack's speech writers would never actually use that "socialist" term btw.

[Trotskilicious]

what he's assuming is that higher taxes for the upper echelons of investment means redistribution when really we can't even afford to do that right now, higher taxes for the upper echelons just means they'd be paying back the government for all the special treatment they've received over the last 30 years in an effort to pay down the debt which is threatening investors, sure. I think that's the big hypocritical statement, that these guys shouldn't pay higher taxes to pay down the deficit when the reason why the debt is so out of control is primarily because of the benefits they've received. it's the michelle bachman "I hate government handouts!" as she signs off on a federal grant on a much larger scale.

[duovamp]

Also poor people who aren't CEOs can't buy congressmen.

[duovamp]

Or make bids on government jobs.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

no, i live in the real world, not the idealistic utopia you think we can create

http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-...t-obama-2011-7

but sure, we all live in fantasy

still not sure why you think some guy reciting frank luntz talking points on a conference call proves the administration is hindering job creation.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Nimrod's Son is right here. Think about how many more nurses we'd need to hire if we deregulate things like meat packaging. Sure the people employed to check their practices would lose their jobs - but they can get new jobs working as meat packers!

Why does everything have to be so hyperbolic with you people? I'm talking about excessive regulation, not basics like meat safety.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Order 66

still not sure why you think some guy reciting frank luntz talking points on a conference call proves the administration is hindering job creation.

perhaps because that's exactly an example of a guy who can create jobs, and he was a big obama supporter in 2008

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by duovamp

What on earth kind of argument is he making though? That people are afraid to invest money because of changes to regulations? That's just an excuse for being horrible at investing tbh. Good investors are making tons of money right now.

"People are afraid to invest in my business because of regulations!" Then your business model blows, guy.

He says Barack is making speeches about redistribution, but I think he's just making crap up he heard on Fox News, since I'd be pretty sure Barack's speech writers would never actually use that "socialist" term btw.

We're not talking about investments in the market, we're talking about investments in new businesses and growth of existing ones.

also it's kind of funny that everyone is trying to paint Wynn as a FOX News drone now that he made the mortal sin of confronting The Obama.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

perhaps because that's exactly an example of a guy who can create jobs, and he was a big obama supporter in 2008

i don't see what that has to do with anything. dick morris was a clinton supporter look at him now

the only people living in a fantasy world are those who think obama's policies are hindering job creation. they go on and on but can't cite a single thing or they bring up regulations put into place like 20 or 30 years ago

[The Omega Concern]

originally posted by Trotskilicious:

I think that's the big hypocritical statement, that these guys shouldn't pay higher taxes to pay down the deficit when the reason why the debt is so out of control is primarily because of the benefits they've received.

"benefits they've received" really means Theft they've gotten away with when speaking of the Trillions of stimulus money to the banks. Until there are indictments and prosecution of the criminal class meaning pol's and private citizens alike, higher taxes is political theater for the bourgeois.

[duovamp]

Hahahaha, aaahhh... When you're right, you're right. Although I don't think the nation's wealthiest people sit around one humongous livingroom together, smoking their pipes, trying to figure out ways to lower their own taxes so they can have more cash to stuff into their cigars.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Although I don't think the nation's wealthiest people sit around one humongous livingroom together, smoking their pipes, trying to figure out ways to lower their own taxes so they can have more cash to stuff into their cigars.

if the shoe fits

[Debaser]

30 year low taxes and record corporate profits right now and people have the nerve blame the government for holding back the private sector? jesus.

[Trotskilicious]

i know, right?

it's like people like sppunk and nimrod don't live in reality, just the insulated right wing world that they've created for themselves

and obama concern is on neptune. don't tax the rich because they stole all our tax money!!!!