The Mountain Goats

samuel redman · 05-17-2011, 03:08 PM

i ran across a CD of theirs at a library and i realized how great this band is.

anybody else here like/listen to them

samuel redman · 05-17-2011, 03:11 PM

oh, the CD was Heretic Pride

cocksure · 05-17-2011, 11:29 PM

heretic pride might be my least favourite mountain goats album

they are really good until you discover all of their albums are exactly the same

Trotskilicious · 05-18-2011, 01:04 AM

Case study in "if cocksure really was as committed to total subjectivity as he think he is..."

"I thought they were really good until I discovered that all of their albums are exactly the same."

In this second sentence that I wrote, the subjective nature of the statement is inferred by using the first person, rather than the declarative second person pronoun "you" which indicates that the person in which it is directed will also think this way upon listening to the full mountain goats catalog, because it is a fact.

Luke de Spa · 05-18-2011, 03:19 AM

i greatly enjoy this band but in measured doses. darnielle is a frigging great lyricist and performer but mr cocksure is correct, there's not a lot of variation musically

samuel redman · 05-18-2011, 09:27 AM

Heretic Pride could be all i need then

cocksure · 01:56 PM

trotski, you're wrong. i don't think everyone will make the same discovery upon listening to his discography. i am saying that you will likely observe this also, since we are more or less part of the same culture - one that recognises melodies and chords and instrumentation and song structures and the like. and in these areas almost all mountain goats albums are extremely similar.

however, that doesn't mean that you are wrong for disagreeing with this, or that you will absolutely certainly dislike the mountain goats for it. i was really talking about myself with that 'you' here, which i find obvious, and which you wouldn't even notice if you didn't want to expose logical flaws in my ultimately irrelevant contributions to this dying subforum

cocksure · 05-18-2011, 02:12 PM

basically, i distinguish between merely descriptive statements (such as "band x has y albums", "song z sounds a lot like song ß") and statements about artistic quality ("band ö is better than band ü"). i think statements of the first kind can contain objective (as in verifiable) knowledge, while the others can't. i am aware that this distinction is perhaps a problematic one. i'm proposing it rather for moral than for epistemological reasons.

Nothing/everything · 05-20-2011, 06:02 AM

Tallahassee
Sunset tree
Get lonely

TheDeuce · 06-13-2011, 09:14 PM

i first got into The Mountain Goats because they used a couple of their songs (No Children, Old College Try, and Love, Love, Love) on Morel Oral. really good songs. Two of those are on their album Tallahassee, so i'd suggest that one, at least.

05-17-2011, 03:08 PM	#1
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,881	The Mountain Goats i ran across a CD of theirs at a library and i realized how great this band is. anybody else here like/listen to them

05-18-2011, 01:51 PM	#7
cocksure Apocalyptic Poster Location: dedicated to the feeling of good Posts: 4,288	trotski, you're wrong. i don't think everyone will make the same discovery upon listening to his discography. i am saying that you will likely observe this also, since we are more or less part of the same culture - one that recognises melodies and chords and instrumentation and song structures and the like. and in these areas almost all mountain goats albums are extremely similar. however, that doesn't mean that you are wrong for disagreeing with this, or that you will absolutely certainly dislike the mountain goats for it. i was really talking about myself with that 'you' here, which i find obvious, and which you wouldn't even notice if you didn't want to expose logical flaws in my ultimately irrelevant contributions to this dying subforum Last edited by cocksure : 05-18-2011 at 01:56 PM.

06-13-2011, 09:14 PM	#10
TheDeuce Apocalyptic Poster Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,319	i first got into The Mountain Goats because they used a couple of their songs (No Children, Old College Try, and Love, Love, Love) on Morel Oral. really good songs. Two of those are on their album Tallahassee, so i'd suggest that one, at least. __________________ the one... the only... TheDeuce

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05-17-2011, 03:11 PM	#2
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,881	oh, the CD was Heretic Pride

05-17-2011, 11:29 PM	#3
cocksure Apocalyptic Poster Location: dedicated to the feeling of good Posts: 4,288	heretic pride might be my least favourite mountain goats album they are really good until you discover all of their albums are exactly the same

05-18-2011, 01:04 AM	#4
Trotskilicious My Fiesta Name is Pendejo Location: I'm never going outside again unless I need someplace to throw up. Posts: 11,024	Case study in "if cocksure really was as committed to total subjectivity as he think he is..." "I thought they were really good until I discovered that all of their albums are exactly the same." In this second sentence that I wrote, the subjective nature of the statement is inferred by using the first person, rather than the declarative second person pronoun "you" which indicates that the person in which it is directed will also think this way upon listening to the full mountain goats catalog, because it is a fact.

05-18-2011, 03:19 AM	#5
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,218	i greatly enjoy this band but in measured doses. darnielle is a frigging great lyricist and performer but mr cocksure is correct, there's not a lot of variation musically

05-18-2011, 09:27 AM	#6
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,881	Heretic Pride could be all i need then

05-18-2011, 02:12 PM	#8
cocksure Apocalyptic Poster Location: dedicated to the feeling of good Posts: 4,288	basically, i distinguish between merely descriptive statements (such as "band x has y albums", "song z sounds a lot like song ß") and statements about artistic quality ("band ö is better than band ü"). i think statements of the first kind can contain objective (as in verifiable) knowledge, while the others can't. i am aware that this distinction is perhaps a problematic one. i'm proposing it rather for moral than for epistemological reasons.

05-20-2011, 06:02 AM	#9
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