hey libertarian retards

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by duovamp

But roads are one of those stupid free-market things, like "I want to drive my own dumb ass wherever the fuck I want! I don't want some train conductor taking me places!" So really, MORE government spending and dictation toward rails over roads would have put this country in a better position for the future.

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[JokeyLoki]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

oh well, fiscal conservatism and free market values are going to murder the United States, but at least we will be proven right when the dust clears

lol

[Trotskilicious]

well i said there would be congressional anti-islamic hearings and brutal, awful, ugly discrimination against muslim americans back on september 12th, 2001 and it really isn't that much fun being right.

[Future Boy]

sure it is

[bahnzah]

regarding the high speed rail...

governor sick rot is planning to turn down funding for the proposed high speed rail project between orlando and tampa. i can't say i entirely disagree with him. both cities are virtually impossible to get around in if you don't have a car. to speak anecdotally, i have a friend in tampa who had to get by without a car for a couple days. her job was across the bay, like 7 or 8 miles as the crow flies. there was no way to get to that side of town without transferring bus lines at least 7 times and it would take no shorter than 15 hours.

whoever said we feitshized the automobile is completely right. when cars become way too expensive to operate, there will be massive demand for hyperurbanization. and developers will be trailing behind demand for at least a decade.

china has our asses preemptively whooped in this regard. i do believe they are experiencing something like a 40% vacancy rate in their newly manufactured high rises. they're prepared for this coming wave of people towards urban centers. the US's foreclosure rate is 7 times the homeless population. but this does us no good, since most of these properties are in the suburbs with minimal access to public transport.

i really want gas to go to like 15 dollars a gallon tomorrow so we can get this over with.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by JokeyLoki

lol

get your mind out of the 19th century. in 50 years the US is going to be far behind the rest of the industrialized world if we continue to place outdated values over actual human life and standard of living.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by bahnzah

regarding the high speed rail...

governor sick rot is planning to turn down funding for the proposed high speed rail project between orlando and tampa. i can't say i entirely disagree with him. both cities are virtually impossible to get around in if you don't have a car. to speak anecdotally, i have a friend in tampa who had to get by without a car for a couple days. her job was across the bay, like 7 or 8 miles as the crow flies. there was no way to get to that side of town without transferring bus lines at least 7 times and it would take no shorter than 15 hours.

whoever said we feitshized the automobile is completely right. when cars become way too expensive to operate, there will be massive demand for hyperurbanization. and developers will be trailing behind demand for at least a decade.

china has our asses preemptively whooped in this regard. i do believe they are experiencing something like a 40% vacancy rate in their newly manufactured high rises. they're prepared for this coming wave of people towards urban centers. the US's foreclosure rate is 7 times the homeless population. but this does us no good, since most of these properties are in the suburbs with minimal access to public transport.

i really want gas to go to like 15 dollars a gallon tomorrow so we can get this over with.

well done shah!

i said we fetishized cars.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

oh well, fiscal conservatism and free market values are going to murder the United States, but at least we will be proven right when the dust clears

I can't believe what a simpleton you are. We haven't had a free market in the US since the 1930s.

[The Omega Concern]

Nimrod,

Joseph Stalin called academics that enthusiatically endorsed communism "Useful Idiots".

[Nimrod's Son]

yes, i am familiar with that quote although it has been generally attributed to Lenin and not Stalin.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I can't believe what a simpleton you are. We haven't had a free market in the US since the 1930s.

free market does not equal free market values. Does it make you feel good to purposely act like such a fucking moron? I hope it fills that hole inside you.

[Eric Blair]

Actually, Nimrod's point was pretty obvious and I suppose he is now wondering, like I am, how exactly free market principles will "murder" the United States, especially as it does not have a free market.

[Eric Blair]

But that's cool. Anyone who doesn't instantly grasp the intended meaning of vague posts must be a moron.

[redbreegull]

we don't live in a "democracy" but we have democratic values

how fucking stupid can you be

[Eric Blair]

Ha! you did it again! Except not only are you not answering my question, it seems you have completely failed to understand it.

[Eric Blair]

Also, you do live in a democracy - it is just a corrupt one. But this is beside the point, and I'd rather not let you derail this conversation as you so often do.

[redbreegull]

no, we do not live in a pure democracy, just as we don't have a purely free market. seriously, you aren't like teaching me a lesson or something by acting like you are incapable of understanding anything

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eric Blair

I'd rather not let you derail this conversation as you so often do.

I started the thread you piece of shit braindead ass turd monkey fucker

[Eric Blair]

Oh sorry. In that earlier post where you said we don't live in a democracy, I guess I was supposed to read that as "we don't live in a pure democracy."

[Eric Blair]

Does it annoy you that people don't automatically understand the trademark redbreegull way of using words and forming arguments? The meaning is in there somewhere, but you have to be a radical left wing genius to tease them out.

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno dude, you don't think continued evolution to a free market will destroy the concept of a nation state?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eric Blair

Does it annoy you that people don't automatically understand the trademark redbreegull way of using words and forming arguments? The meaning is in there somewhere, but you have to be a radical left wing genius to tease them out.

I don't believe you are actually this stupid, so I am going to assume you are just an asshole

[Eric Blair]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i dunno dude, you don't think continued evolution to a free market will destroy the concept of a nation state?

Nah. That will just destroy the third world countries that the first world imposes the free market on.

[Eric Blair]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't believe you are actually this stupid, so I am going to assume you are just an asshole

Still not getting it

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Eric Blair

Nah. That will just destroy the third world countries that the first world imposes the free market on.

i really don't think so

[Eric Blair]

I think what will destroy the nation state will be the continued corporatization of the global economy which does not necessarily need a free market. In fact, a free market would probably inhibit the growth of particularly big corporations, who rely pretty heavily on government.

[Trotskilicious]

so you buy that idea then ok. i don't really see that as being any hinderance to corps but yeah i guess the big ones would just flame out and other people would pick up the pieces.

[Eric Blair]

It isn't a hindrance so much, but the most successful / powerful corporate entities rely on government support - be it financial assistance, tariffs on imports that might threaten profit, illegal wars to gain resources, the destruction of organised labour etc.

On a somewhat related and interesting note, always worth reading about this guy (who I am sure you are familiar with Trots)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

[The Omega Concern]

originally posted by Eric Blair:

I think what will destroy the nation state will be the continued corporatization of the global economy which does not necessarily need a free market. In fact, a free market would probably inhibit the growth of particularly big corporations, who rely pretty heavily on government.

correct.


The worst case scenario for America is to become like Saudi Arabia in this sense: the royal's have all the money through oil and live like kings while 99.99% of the people live in sqaulor. There's really no need for that government and the oil companies to rely on a vibrant economy with a nice balance of exports to imports. The rulers simply don't need it or care enough for their own people to have it.

We're not at that point yet, but the current course is headed in that direction.

[Nimrod's Son]

sorry i missed the last page here. redbreegull sure is stupid huh