Germans.

barden · 10-13-2010, 08:04 AM

Hey dudes.

I'm getting a lot of design work from your country coming up and I have no idea what to quote.

This is a weird question, but what would an average amount be for a quality design piece?
At the moment I'm doing the front and back cover of an album for a band, and I have no idea what to charge them.

I was thinking like 40 - 50 Euro a piece, is that too much?

I do cool designs, that take days and involve painting and all sorts of things, not weird vector clipart shit, and I charge about R500 for a small quickish 2 day design, and up to R1500 for something more complex.

Eulogy · 10-13-2010, 08:08 AM

why wouldn't you just do a currency conversion and figure it out?

or is this just a thinly veiled attempt at making us all think you're so awesome for doing work for bands?

Trotskilicious · 10-13-2010, 08:12 AM

not only bands

GERMAN BANDS

barden · 10-13-2010, 08:18 AM

No, cause my whole portfolio is built around bands, including multiple US based acts, and I've never posted any of the works on here to show off or anything.

I want knowledge. I knew what to ask for americans cause I asked some americans.
I dont just want a number conversion, I want to know what kind of prices Germans are comfortable with so I dont under quote and the guys are like, 'Haha, sucker!!'

I'm pretty sure African rates would differ from European ones.

Mo · 10-13-2010, 08:20 AM

Design work is expensive here. Go for 50 - 100 Euro, depending on the quality of your work.

Mo · 10-13-2010, 08:20 AM

Wait, what do you mean by "a piece", exactly?

barden · 10-13-2010, 08:24 AM

Are you on facebook at the moment Mo?
I'll send you a link or two.

By piece I would mean like, seperate images. If they want to crop one image to use over two things, I dont mind. But if they want 2 seperate indivudual pieces I'd charge for both.
Like this is for the front and back of an album cover. If they want them to be different I'd charge for 2 pieces.

duovamp · 10-13-2010, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy

why wouldn't you just do a currency conversion and figure it out?

or is this just a thinly veiled attempt at making us all think you're so awesome for doing work for bands?

Not that simple. He's got to look at not just the conversion dollar-for-not-dollar, but also mean incomes, costs of living, average t-shirt costs abroad, that sort of thing. 15 dollars in Germoney may be substantially more difficult to come up with if you're a German.

You really have no business sense, do you? This is a global market, Chris. You have to think like a globaller.

duovamp · 10-13-2010, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barden

I want to know what kind of prices Germans are comfortable with

Precisely. You, my man, are going places.

Mo · 10-13-2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barden

Are you on facebook at the moment Mo?
I'll send you a link or two.

By piece I would mean like, seperate images. If they want to crop one image to use over two things, I dont mind. But if they want 2 seperate indivudual pieces I'd charge for both.
Like this is for the front and back of an album cover. If they want them to be different I'd charge for 2 pieces.

I am. Do it.

barden · 10-13-2010, 08:55 AM

Thanks man!
haha.

The SA market is crap, and the benchmark is pretty low in general too. I'm trying to get a lot more 'international' work which sets me apart from these local hacks so I can start getting the bigger contracts here.

I'm not bad. I mean, I posted some stuff on netphoria before back when I was shit, but I got way better in the last few years I think.

hnibos · 10-13-2010, 09:03 AM

tinwop

Trotskilicious · 10-13-2010, 09:36 AM

(don't talk about the war!)

28if · 10-13-2010, 10:00 AM

i mentioned it once but i think i got away with it

jczeroman · 10-13-2010, 10:56 AM

At least as much in Euros as you would dollars. I mean numerically.

sppunk · 10-13-2010, 12:40 PM

You do design work that cheaply? Wow. I charge min $125/hr for my freelance work.

sppunk · 10-13-2010, 12:42 PM

I post that to say never shortchange yourself. For the time and hours you put in especially, I'd think you could easily charge more.

Eulogy · 10-13-2010, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sppunk

You do design work that cheaply? Wow. I charge min $125/hr for my freelance work.

since when do you design work? or have you always done that

Luke de Spa · 10-13-2010, 06:44 PM

seriously 50 euro for a finished piece? that's peanuts

Trotskilicious · 10-13-2010, 07:01 PM

he's african, it's like a billion dollars to them

sppunk · 10-13-2010, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy

since when do you design work? or have you always done that

Since 2001.

Eulogy · 10-13-2010, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sppunk

Since 2001.

oh. i thought you did boring writing/editing type shit.

barden · 10-13-2010, 07:29 PM

Haha, I'd have to do about 6 design jobs at 50 euro to pay rent every month. And then there's the other bits of survival. So 50 euro isn't a huge amount, but it's enough to get by if i get consistent work.

I dont know. I suppose without a benchmark its hard to charge too much.

I guess it also depends on how good people think the work is. I have been trying to develop a unique style lately, which can be recognised as my own. I hope.

But yeah, Mo gave me some advice which helped me send them a quote!
Thanks Mo!

barden · 10-13-2010, 07:30 PM

sppunk if you psot some of your designs I will do some of mine.

JokeyLoki · 10-13-2010, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

he's african, it's like a billion dollars to them

memories_unwind · 10-13-2010, 07:52 PM

mr. rhinoceros - warum glaubst du, über die Deutschen mitreden zu können, wenn du noch nicht mal ansatzweise eine deutsche maus gebumst hast? das lustigste ist ja, dass du nicht mal ansatzweise an diesen Punkt gelangen wirst. du alter schnacker...p.s. du wirst diesen text mit den gängigen h1lfsmitteln eh nicht übersetzen können...

barden · 10-13-2010, 07:54 PM

omg lol, go use it in another thread in like 4 days.

barden · 10-13-2010, 07:54 PM

i was talking to jenny

hnibos · 10-13-2010, 07:55 PM

mr. rhinoceros - Why do you think about the Germans say, if you don't even start a german mouse gebumst? The funny is that you will not even partially to reach this point. You old schnacker...

barden · 10-13-2010, 08:06 PM

oh well, my links didn't work.

10-13-2010, 08:04 AM	#1
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	Germans. Hey dudes. I'm getting a lot of design work from your country coming up and I have no idea what to quote. This is a weird question, but what would an average amount be for a quality design piece? At the moment I'm doing the front and back cover of an album for a band, and I have no idea what to charge them. I was thinking like 40 - 50 Euro a piece, is that too much? I do cool designs, that take days and involve painting and all sorts of things, not weird vector clipart shit, and I charge about R500 for a small quickish 2 day design, and up to R1500 for something more complex.

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10-13-2010, 08:08 AM	#2
Eulogy huh Posts: 54,787	why wouldn't you just do a currency conversion and figure it out? or is this just a thinly veiled attempt at making us all think you're so awesome for doing work for bands?

10-13-2010, 08:12 AM	#3
Trotskilicious My Fiesta Name is Pendejo Location: I'm never going outside again unless I need someplace to throw up. Posts: 10,996	not only bands GERMAN BANDS

10-13-2010, 08:18 AM	#4
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	No, cause my whole portfolio is built around bands, including multiple US based acts, and I've never posted any of the works on here to show off or anything. I want knowledge. I knew what to ask for americans cause I asked some americans. I dont just want a number conversion, I want to know what kind of prices Germans are comfortable with so I dont under quote and the guys are like, 'Haha, sucker!!' I'm pretty sure African rates would differ from European ones.

10-13-2010, 08:20 AM	#5
Mo Shalom y'all Location: Wien Posts: 20,262	Design work is expensive here. Go for 50 - 100 Euro, depending on the quality of your work.

10-13-2010, 08:24 AM	#7
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	Are you on facebook at the moment Mo? I'll send you a link or two. By piece I would mean like, seperate images. If they want to crop one image to use over two things, I dont mind. But if they want 2 seperate indivudual pieces I'd charge for both. Like this is for the front and back of an album cover. If they want them to be different I'd charge for 2 pieces.

10-13-2010, 08:55 AM	#11
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	Thanks man! haha. The SA market is crap, and the benchmark is pretty low in general too. I'm trying to get a lot more 'international' work which sets me apart from these local hacks so I can start getting the bigger contracts here. I'm not bad. I mean, I posted some stuff on netphoria before back when I was shit, but I got way better in the last few years I think.

10-13-2010, 09:03 AM	#12
hnibos Socialphobic Location: I was just reading, right? Posts: 11,417	tinwop

10-13-2010, 09:36 AM	#13
Trotskilicious My Fiesta Name is Pendejo Location: I'm never going outside again unless I need someplace to throw up. Posts: 10,996	(don't talk about the war!)

10-13-2010, 10:00 AM	#14
28if Apocalyptic Poster Location: yeah seriously i think we've more than established a consensus on reality, it's not that abstract. Posts: 3,446	i mentioned it once but i think i got away with it

10-13-2010, 10:56 AM	#15
jczeroman inactive user Location: United Kingdom Posts: 14,113	At least as much in Euros as you would dollars. I mean numerically.

10-13-2010, 12:40 PM	#16
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 34,833	You do design work that cheaply? Wow. I charge min $125/hr for my freelance work.

10-13-2010, 12:42 PM	#17
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 34,833	I post that to say never shortchange yourself. For the time and hours you put in especially, I'd think you could easily charge more.

10-13-2010, 06:44 PM	#19
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,218	seriously 50 euro for a finished piece? that's peanuts

10-13-2010, 07:01 PM	#20
Trotskilicious My Fiesta Name is Pendejo Location: I'm never going outside again unless I need someplace to throw up. Posts: 10,996	he's african, it's like a billion dollars to them

10-13-2010, 07:29 PM	#23
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	Haha, I'd have to do about 6 design jobs at 50 euro to pay rent every month. And then there's the other bits of survival. So 50 euro isn't a huge amount, but it's enough to get by if i get consistent work. I dont know. I suppose without a benchmark its hard to charge too much. I guess it also depends on how good people think the work is. I have been trying to develop a unique style lately, which can be recognised as my own. I hope. But yeah, Mo gave me some advice which helped me send them a quote! Thanks Mo!

10-13-2010, 07:30 PM	#24
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	sppunk if you psot some of your designs I will do some of mine.

10-13-2010, 07:52 PM	#26
memories_unwind František`s mate Location: Cologne Posts: 1,004	mr. rhinoceros - warum glaubst du, über die Deutschen mitreden zu können, wenn du noch nicht mal ansatzweise eine deutsche maus gebumst hast? das lustigste ist ja, dass du nicht mal ansatzweise an diesen Punkt gelangen wirst. du alter schnacker...p.s. du wirst diesen text mit den gängigen h1lfsmitteln eh nicht übersetzen können...

10-13-2010, 07:54 PM	#27
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	omg lol, go use it in another thread in like 4 days.

10-13-2010, 07:55 PM	#29
hnibos Socialphobic Location: I was just reading, right? Posts: 11,417	mr. rhinoceros - Why do you think about the Germans say, if you don't even start a german mouse gebumst? The funny is that you will not even partially to reach this point. You old schnacker...

10-13-2010, 08:06 PM	#30
barden Braindead Location: The Ghetto Posts: 19,536	oh well, my links didn't work.