Obama seeks to restrict Miranda rights for terror suspects - Page 2

bloop · 05-13-2010, 05:53 PM

This is not likely to be a popular position anywhere, but I'm not even sure I agree with mirandizing citizens. If you blab on about what you did without knowing your rights, that's the People's problem...why, exactly?

redbreegull · 05-13-2010, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloop

This is not likely to be a popular position anywhere, but I'm not even sure I agree with mirandizing citizens. If you blab on about what you did without knowing your rights, that's the People's problem...why, exactly?

are you retarded

bloop · 05-13-2010, 06:22 PM

No, I'm not. I just concur with the dissenting opinion in that particular Supreme Court case, unless there is some outstanding reason that may cause me to change my mind.

redbreegull · 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bloop

No, I'm not. I just concur with the dissenting opinion in that particular Supreme Court case, unless there is some outstanding reason that may cause me to change my mind.

that outstanding reason would be called "rights." We used to be real big on them in this country.

bloop · 05-13-2010, 06:29 PM

I don't see where the specific rights as enumerated are violated by not being told you have the rights. If one doesn't educate himself of his rights, I don't have an issue that the People should benefit from a guilty person's open-and-shut case.

redbreegull · 05-13-2010, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloop

I don't see where the specific rights as enumerated are violated by not being told you have the rights. If one doesn't educate himself of his rights, I don't have an issue that the People should benefit from a guilty person's open-and-shut case.

If that is your attitude, you basically admittedly surrender all power in the system to the upper class and the well-educated.

Edit: you are also making the ridiculous assumption that law enforcement always acts with everyone's best interests in mind, and does not abuse the power given to them

redbreegull · 05-13-2010, 06:38 PM

Related reading:

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_A...s_Constitution

bloop · 05-13-2010, 06:41 PM

Quote:

If that is your attitude, you basically admittedly surrender all power in the system to the upper class and the well-educated.

You make the assumption that the lower class is dumb, but be that as it may, I have to agree with the White dissent on this one for now.

redbreegull · 05-13-2010, 06:44 PM

Every time I am feeling down on America, people always remind me it could be worse.

bloop · 05-13-2010, 07:05 PM

Well, I don't think Miranda is going anywhere, whatever I may think about it, as precedent.

I'm a little confused as to whether our people believe these are derived from natural human rights, in which case they should be afforded to literally everyone, or whether they are merely the rights we enjoy as American citizens - exclusive to our people.

redbreegull · 05-13-2010, 09:10 PM

There is also this:

U.S. Approval to Kill U.S. Citizen Causes Unease - NYTimes.com

which is also a disgrace

Future Boy · 05-13-2010, 11:13 PM

Thats like a month old. Slow day at the Times I guess.

Future Boy · 11-09-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

This is not the first time I have criticized him, blregiyufug

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

I cried. the most powerful speech he has ever given. I don't know how he is capable of it, but everything I dislike about him just becomes... it goes away when he talks like that. I believe the things he says. Maybe he is the antichrist

this should be in here

duovamp · 11-09-2012, 06:18 PM

Pretty sure the only way you could agree with every single waking act of any leader would be if that person were Jesus.

Jesus 2016.

Future Boy · 11-09-2012, 06:23 PM

i just get a kick out of rbg trying to act like a vocal or even firm critic of obamas.

it all just...melts away when he talks

Trotskilicious · 11-09-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

lol @ redbreegull finally realizing Obama isn't the messiah

he quickly forgot again, apparently

Trotskilicious · 11-09-2012, 09:45 PM

must be all the boxed wine

Eulogy · 11-10-2012, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

he quickly forgot again, apparently

the decision being discussed in the other thread has absolutely nothing to do with miranda. at all. again, you are out of your depth.

Eulogy · 11-10-2012, 02:54 AM

it's weirdly comforting to know for a fact that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

Future Boy · 11-10-2012, 04:23 AM

i didnt bump this because of that other thread, and trots wasnt talking about it or you...so, yeah.

Trotskilicious · 11-10-2012, 07:42 AM

The Omega Concern · 11-10-2012, 10:02 AM

anybody bother to define Terrorist? one day it could be something like copping an attitude with one of those TSA retards and bam...g-bye citizen, we don't need no non-conformist in future america.

and the real scary thing to that would be the populace in some consensus like, "yes. we need to do something about people defying orders from the TSA..."

just watch out for expanded definitions of the terms. It's already went from guys with turbans in caves on the other side of the world to former vets coming back from there with a Ron Paul sticker on his truck.

think people.

Eulogy · 11-10-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yep

I misread the quoted post. My bad.

Starla · 11-11-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

anybody bother to define Terrorist? one day it could be something like copping an attitude with one of those TSA retards and bam...g-bye citizen,

A friend of mine flying out of seatac last month told me about the guy in front of him who told an agent not to grab his balls. Next thing that happened was the agent threw up his hands and called for a supervisor to come over. They told the guy not to harass the agent, and that if he wanted to board the plane, he would have to comply. He repeated that he just didn't want his balls grabbed, and said he wanted to leave and forget it. They told him he wasn't leaving the "secured area" until he had a pat down. He resisted so they handcuffed him and led him down a hall and that was that. You can't complain. They are making this pretty clear that complaining = tsa harassment.

redbreegull · 11-12-2012, 04:48 AM

look at all the black and white thinkers who dug this out of 2010

BLACK AND WHITE BLACK AND WHITE

idiots

Future Boy · 11-13-2012, 06:37 AM

what can i say to make it all just melt away

hnibos · 11-13-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

look at all the black and white thinkers who dug this out of 2010

BLACK AND WHITE BLACK AND WHITE

idiots

Um, I believe it's BLACK AND YELLOW, BLACK AND YELLOW.

Trotskilicious · 11-13-2012, 09:16 AM

i am the smartest, everyone else is stupid

redbreegull · 11-15-2012, 05:25 PM

see when you say something all tongue in cheek to criticize others but that is actually what you believe, it's called hypocrisy

Starla · 11-15-2012, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i am the smartest, everyone else is stupid

well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. you are out of your depth even about yourself!

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05-13-2010, 05:53 PM	#31
bloop Demi-God Posts: 370	This is not likely to be a popular position anywhere, but I'm not even sure I agree with mirandizing citizens. If you blab on about what you did without knowing your rights, that's the People's problem...why, exactly?

05-13-2010, 06:22 PM	#33
bloop Demi-God Posts: 370	No, I'm not. I just concur with the dissenting opinion in that particular Supreme Court case, unless there is some outstanding reason that may cause me to change my mind.

05-13-2010, 06:29 PM	#35
bloop Demi-God Posts: 370	I don't see where the specific rights as enumerated are violated by not being told you have the rights. If one doesn't educate himself of his rights, I don't have an issue that the People should benefit from a guilty person's open-and-shut case.

05-13-2010, 06:38 PM	#37
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	Related reading: Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_A...s_Constitution

05-13-2010, 06:44 PM	#39
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	Every time I am feeling down on America, people always remind me it could be worse.

05-13-2010, 07:05 PM	#40
bloop Demi-God Posts: 370	Well, I don't think Miranda is going anywhere, whatever I may think about it, as precedent. I'm a little confused as to whether our people believe these are derived from natural human rights, in which case they should be afforded to literally everyone, or whether they are merely the rights we enjoy as American citizens - exclusive to our people.

05-13-2010, 09:10 PM	#41
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	There is also this: U.S. Approval to Kill U.S. Citizen Causes Unease - NYTimes.com which is also a disgrace

05-13-2010, 11:13 PM	#42
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,972	Thats like a month old. Slow day at the Times I guess.

11-09-2012, 06:18 PM	#44
duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,674	Pretty sure the only way you could agree with every single waking act of any leader would be if that person were Jesus. Jesus 2016.

11-09-2012, 06:23 PM	#45
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,972	i just get a kick out of rbg trying to act like a vocal or even firm critic of obamas. it all just...melts away when he talks

11-09-2012, 09:45 PM	#47
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	must be all the boxed wine

11-10-2012, 02:54 AM	#49
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,362	it's weirdly comforting to know for a fact that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

11-10-2012, 04:23 AM	#50
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,972	i didnt bump this because of that other thread, and trots wasnt talking about it or you...so, yeah.

11-10-2012, 07:42 AM	#51
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	yep

11-10-2012, 10:02 AM	#52
The Omega Concern Banned Location: stay, far, away Posts: 8,997	anybody bother to define Terrorist? one day it could be something like copping an attitude with one of those TSA retards and bam...g-bye citizen, we don't need no non-conformist in future america. and the real scary thing to that would be the populace in some consensus like, "yes. we need to do something about people defying orders from the TSA..." just watch out for expanded definitions of the terms. It's already went from guys with turbans in caves on the other side of the world to former vets coming back from there with a Ron Paul sticker on his truck. think people.

11-12-2012, 04:48 AM	#55
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	look at all the black and white thinkers who dug this out of 2010 BLACK AND WHITE BLACK AND WHITE idiots

11-13-2012, 06:37 AM	#56
Future Boy The Man of Tomorrow Posts: 26,972	what can i say to make it all just melt away

11-13-2012, 09:16 AM	#58
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	i am the smartest, everyone else is stupid

11-15-2012, 05:25 PM	#59
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,027	see when you say something all tongue in cheek to criticize others but that is actually what you believe, it's called hypocrisy