More studio material coming (album lovers fucked)!!!

[seign]

Originally Posted by dzhezus

dedicated percussionist?

heh. forget about that one. Maybe that dude from the SuperChrist video... the tamborine guy.

Really though, remember having to wait 2 1/2 - 3 years to hear new SP music? 3 - 4 songs every 9 months or so... much better than getting 16 all at once every 3 years IMHO. It should keep the tours more interesting at least.

But what we all really learned from this post is, Jimmy should be considered the REAL official spokesperson of the Pumpkins. If you ever want to know what is truly going on with the band, Jimmy is the one to ask. He's the one everyone should be quizzing over the Metro DVD etc. etc.

[Phoenix Down]

Originally Posted by You Said

SP never does what they say they are going to do.

it'll be a double album.

qft

[mayday]

i really hope that they work with more people on the new stuff. billy and jimmy is good but really working with others gives another dimension and other energies that shape the music into something more and something new. like adding more colors to the pallat for a painting. i would really encourage them to see the talent in others and mix with it

[avsfan7733]

I don't care how many people they add as long as the pumpkins don't turn into the dave matthews band.

[MistaMista1]

racist.

[Rickpat12]

[ToEachesOwn]

Originally Posted by davin

"But the direction we're going in is grander, as opposed to the stripped-down sound we just did," Chamberlin continues. "I want it to be full tilt. I'd like to go bigger. And I think the next time the Pumpkins tour, you'll see a big stage presence with eight to ten people as opposed to just five."

Now that excites me.

From a business stand point, I completely agree with what Jimmy says. The music industry is in shambles. At this point, it's comparable to the decline of railroads in the 20th century. They didn't recongnize trends and therefore crumbled. I like the fact that the "Smashing Pumpkins" have created an impromptu business model. The reason I like this is that it places more emphasis on quality (in theory). If they release 3 or 4 songs here and there as opposed to using the album format, those 3 or 4 songs have to be exceptional otherwise the model doesn't work.

For example, let's say they did this with Zeitgeist and released Neverlost, Pomp+Circumstance, For God and Country, and 7 Shades Of Black in one group. Using this board as a target market, this would be hit and miss (due to the large number of people who strongly like or dislike these cuts). Without the additional Zeitgeist songs to be the deal breakers, these songs would fail.

Basically what I'm saying, and once again this is in theory (since Billy seems to do whatever he wants to do), is that by using this model, the songs should be stronger and leave less doubt within the minds of potential listeners. Less quantity should spawn better quality.

[Phoenix Down]

Originally Posted by ToEachesOwn

Now that excites me.

From a business stand point, I completely agree with what Jimmy says. The music industry is in shambles. At this point, it's comparable to the decline of railroads in the 20th century. They didn't recongnize trends and therefore crumbled. I like the fact that the "Smashing Pumpkins" have created an impromptu business model. The reason I like this is that it places more emphasis on quality (in theory). If they release 3 or 4 songs here and there as opposed to using the album format, those 3 or 4 songs have to be exceptional otherwise the model doesn't work.

For example, let's say they did this with Zeitgeist and released Neverlost, Pomp+Circumstance, For God and Country, and 7 Shades Of Black in one group. Using this board as a target market, this would be hit and miss (due to the large number of people who strongly like or dislike these cuts). Without the additional Zeitgeist songs to be the deal breakers, these songs would fail.

Basically what I'm saying, and once again this is in theory (since Billy seems to do whatever he wants to do), is that by using this model, the songs should be stronger and leave less doubt within the minds of potential listeners. Less quantity should spawn better quality.

i agree completely. however, people would be a lot more excited about this if american gothic had been better. i don't care if it was some kind of "experiment".

[SlingeroGuitaro]

maybe we'll see jimmy with a drum set big enough for 3 people and billy playing a 7 necked guitar

[waltermcphilp]

im not sure how to feel about this. interesting though.

[skipgo]

joe!

[dustrock]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Down

i agree completely. however, people would be a lot more excited about this if american gothic had been better. i don't care if it was some kind of "experiment".

Yeah, you're exactly right.

But if we're able to get more "weird" stuff in Superchrist, like the non sequitur violin part, it will be cool.

[slunken]

as long as i get more songs faster i don't mind...and you all know this idea will eventually peter out and albums will be released. don't get your panties in a bunch.

[dudehitscar]

I think this is really exciting. I wish Zwan had done this. Then we would have studio versions of all those wonderful songs and we can ignore the rest.

[darthjul]

New music = excitement. Yes I bought American Gothic. No I'm too lazy to listen to it on anything but my computer once every 3 months.

This is an interesting time. There hasn't really been a time of innovation like this since record companies got an initial foothold. We're breaking new ground and maybe some of us will charge off in the wrong direction but make no mistake, this time will be remembered as the shift away from a physical product to something less tangible.

People seem to need a statement from time to time as to how things are. Lots of people don't think about anything but just use someone elses thoughts as a barometer of the current climate. I guess we can't blame them for letting us know how they feel right now. If I was in their position I think I'd like to let my fans know where we are up to in our current thought processes. And yeah, its likely that it'll all blow over but hey. What can you do.

To discover new lands we must be willing to lose sight of the shoreline.

[tensionhead]

a band like sp with bc writing like he does could put out records AND eps. it goes backs years ago before the breakup when bill said he would like to start just putting out eps 3 or 4 at a time then put them together to make a complete album. i like that idea. but i hate this digital age bs. i dont want itunes getting the songs first. i actually look forward to going to a record store on tuesdays getting new cds.

[BlissedandGone2]

Originally Posted by whywontyoulistn

I just wish Billy would stop doing "what people want" (or what he thinks people want) and "what fits the market/industry as it stands today" and make the music HE wants, released in the format HE likes most. These interviews sound more like company reports than musicians' press releases. Gngh.

completely asinine.

[Cherub Angel]

Originally Posted by skipgo

am i the only person who thinks this is cool?

nope! I think it's great. Makes a lot of sense. More music for us, I don't really use a CD player anyway these days.

Plus they're back in Chicago.......which means they are out of LA. Which means there will be less LA scene chicks hanging around IE (for the haters out there...not necessarily me) less Linda Strawberry.

[Esty]

In otherwords, make you pay 10 bucks for 4 songs every other 4 months or so.

Fucking brilliant.

[runnersdialzero]

Personally i like full albums that seem like a realized idea from start to finish. However, i think its interesting and a potentially logical step to go BACK to the days before Sgt Peppers and release an album of singles.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by davin

"I want it to be full tilt. I'd like to go bigger. And I think the next time the Pumpkins tour, you'll see a big stage presence with eight to ten people as opposed to just five."[/color]

Huge.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by runnersdialzero

Personally i like full albums that seem like a realized idea from start to finish. However, i think its interesting and a potentially logical step to go BACK to the days before Sgt Peppers and release an album of singles.

Thats because you're an idiot.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by skipgo

am i the only person who thinks this is cool?

i am very excited

[Esty]

You get excited over anything though.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Esty

You get excited over anything though.

to an extent, that is true

i enjoy the smashing pumpkins generally

[darthjul]

Its a mathematical impossibility for new Pumpkins music to = meh.

[Esty]

Originally Posted by mpp

to an extent, that is true

i enjoy the smashing pumpkins generally

Yeah, but you don't have to be all up bills asshole.

[SquashinPumpkin]

Originally Posted by tensionhead

a band like sp with bc writing like he does could put out records AND eps. it goes backs years ago before the breakup when bill said he would like to start just putting out eps 3 or 4 at a time then put them together to make a complete album. i like that idea. but i hate this digital age bs. i dont want itunes getting the songs first. i actually look forward to going to a record store on tuesdays getting new cds.

Same.

iTunes downloads ruins a lot of the excitement of new music.

The best part of waiting for new music every 2-4 years is the day the damn thing hits shelves and everyone freaks out and runs to Best Buy and gets a free lithograph and banana and runs home and listens to it once and runs to netphoria and bitches about it!

Now it'll be more like click>download>listen>bitch.

No lithograph. Not as much fun.

And I love physical media and I love album artwork. I don't like this shift. I don't want an American Gothic every 3 months, I want a full, well-thought out, planned, and well-executed, cohesive album. I don't care how long it takes. At this point I dont even know if they're capable of such a thing, so maybe they're just using this EP every 4 months thing as an excuse. Bitches.

[WalkingStrayz]

fuck not having albums. FUCK.

[xezton]

Originally Posted by SquashinPumpkin

At this point I dont even know if they're capable of such a thing, so maybe they're just using this EP every 4 months thing as an excuse. Bitches.

Maybe not an "excuse", but yeah.

The neat thing about many of SP's previous albums is that Concept approach. But concept albums have been around for a long time, serving the purpose of getting a lot of music out on an album and getting listeners "into" the music for more than just the beat or the riff. Meaning more artistic possibilities since you can ******* more than just singles on the album.

A conceptual album is nice because you can place a song in context. Even if that context is really abstract, at least that song holds a "place" in your mind with the other songs on that album.

The "problem" with concept albums is the fact that many of those other songs on the album don't stand out, don't shine as much as the small scattering of singles. This means people used to pay $18 (or more) for a cd full of songs they didn't really care for, so they could pop it in to their cd player and listen to Zero for the hundredth time.

Along comes internet and now people who don't care for all those other songs are able to spend a buck on the song they want and can listen to it 1000 times at work, at home, while driving, while walking, while eating... whenever.

The idea of the concept album fails here, because now the "masses" will download an album, hear what songs they like, buy the ones they want, and forget the rest. This means the concept itself dies, as singles don't always carry a concept forward on an album.

So you get the majority of people willing to spend money on music only buying singles from concept albums and never hearing the rest (or just not liking the rest because they aren't "good enough").




Of COURSE you have "true fans" who will purchase the whole album no matter what. But the casual listener doesn't need to do that anymore.





So now you have to release a concept album full of really great and polished "single" material. Good bye "Lilly" and "17" and all the rest of those supportive songs that aren't singles but are still important.

OR, you release all of your songs to the masses in short bursts. Like someone said above (I think), in the case of Zeitgeist, if they would have done this, we wouldn't have gotten songs like "Pomp and Cicrumstances" or maybe "7 Shades of Black".

But would we have gotten a "better", more polished, more unnaturally popular version of those songs? Or would they just have never seen the light?


Would having a more "singles material" version of 7 Shades be a good thing?





American Gothic could have been a smaller part of a larger album. I personally think all of the songs on that ep are fairly bland, but I do like them. All of them are good.

If Pox would have shown up on a bigger album along with 10 or 12 other songs, would it have been as "good"? Or would it have been seen as another "Lilly" or "17" or "Spaced" or any other equally important "supporting" song? Would they have focused on it enough to make it sound good, or would they have tried to force it to fit whatever concept they were going for on the album it was to be on?

Probably.

Even going back and listening to many older songs in rough form and then hearing their final versions when put on a concept album, they undergo so many changes they basically become a different song.









So, in a very long-winded "no shit sherlock" post I'm basically saying: I think this will allow SP to focus more on songs that would normally be cast off as unimportant non-single material that people wouldn't buy, and force those who only buy one or two songs off an album to actually give the one or two other songs on an ep a try. And these people might enjoy those one or two other songs more because they have their own focus rather than being "ruined" or reworked to fit some abstract concept the "typical" user isn't interested in.



But regardless... I will still miss the excitement, the tangibility, the artwork, and the thought put into concept albums.


(jesus someone give me negative rep for this stupid drivel, I sound like such a dork)