Who is Barack Obama?

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Corganist

How do you figure? Not that I'm saying that Muslims are endangering our freedom of religion, because they're not. But neither is Huckabee.

It's amazing to me that people can see how ridiculous religious scaremongering is against one candidate, and then turn right around and parrot similar religious scaremongering as gospel truth against another.

are you retarded?

[mccririck]

Corganist is, yes. Have you never noticed before?

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by ravenguy2000

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

What's strange about this quote is that I can't find a complete video or transcript of the speech it came from. But even out of context, it's fucking retarded to take it to mean that he somehow wants to turn the Constitution into some kind of theocratic document. I mean, are you fucking kidding me? By all accounts, the guy was talking about his support of human life and marriage amendments to the Constitution, which may be really stupid and bad ideas, but their passage wouldn't present any religious freedom issues in and of themselves.

This idea that Huckabee wants to officially enact some sort of theocratic state ruled by God's law or whatever is just as retarded and hyperbolic as this "Obama is working with the Muslims!" crap. There are a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to not like Huckabee without branding him as some sort of would-be theocratic despot just waiting to clamp down on our religious freedom. You guys are smarter than this.

[The Omega Concern]

originally posted by the sellout:

First off, i thought there was supposed to be a separation of church and state

wrong. that's the not the wording and for the life of me everyone gets this wrong.


The state shall not establish a religion. Doesn't stop Darwinist in the public schools though.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Corganist

This idea that Huckabee wants to officially enact some sort of theocratic state ruled by God's law or whatever is just as retarded and hyperbolic as this "Obama is working with the Muslims!" crap.

But he does want to. The man said it. As you pointed out, it wouldnt pass, but he wants it.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

But he does want to. The man said it. As you pointed out, it wouldnt pass, but he wants it.

Supporting an amendment to the Constitution for religious reasons =/= wanting to establish a theocracy.

COLMES: All right, Governor, you made a statement at a rally in Michigan within the last 24 hours. You said, I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. You said, I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it'd be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do."

That makes people a little worried. It sounds like you're looking to have a theocratic state when you make statements like that...

HUCKABEE: Oh, no, Alan.

COLMES: ... going to make change in Constitution...

HUCKABEE: Not at all.

COLMES: ... in keeping with your view of God.

HUCKABEE: On two things. The context is two things, human life amendment, which I support and which has been in the Republican platform since 1980. And by the way, Fred Thompson doesn't support it, nor does John McCain. And yet it's part of our platform. And it's a very important part of our platform to say that human life is something we're going to stand for. And the second thing is traditional marriage.

So those are the two areas which I'm talking about. I'm not suggesting that we rewrite the Constitution to reflect tithing or Sunday school attendance. I want to make that very clear.

[Future Boy]

Oh, so we'll just call it by a more acceptable name, ok. Now it makes sense.

[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by Corganist

This idea that Huckabee wants to officially enact some sort of theocratic state ruled by God's law or whatever is just as retarded and hyperbolic as this "Obama is working with the Muslims!" crap.

It's retarded and hyperbolic because this is your standard M.O. - overstate the other side's opinion wildly so it's that much easier to dispute. You do it on everything from politics to shitty game shows on NBC. It's boring and disingenuous and is a hallmark of why many here think you're a complete joke and not worth engaging.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Oh, so we'll just call it by a more acceptable name, ok. Now it makes sense.

There is no "it." Now you're just being silly.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by ravenguy2000

It's retarded and hyperbolic because this is your standard M.O. - overstate the other side's opinion wildly so it's that much easier to dispute. You do it on everything from politics to shitty game shows on NBC. It's boring and disingenuous and is a hallmark of why many here think you're a complete joke and not worth engaging.

How am I overstating anything?

Talk about fucking disingenuous....

[commando]

all I said is that Huckabee is a threat, etc... take that statement to be as extreme as you want.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by commando

all I said is that Huckabee is a threat, etc... take that statement to be as extreme as you want.

You compared his views to Osama Bin Laden wanting to establish Islam as the state religion of the US and suggested that he wanted to "force" religion on people. Don't even pretend like I'm the one who's blowing things out of proportion.

I don't care if you guys don't like Huckabee. I don't either. But if you're gonna exaggerate or even just invent reasons out of thin air to support that view, then don't criticize the other people who also want to exaggerate and make up bad shit about the candidates they don't like.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Corganist

Supporting an amendment to the Constitution for religious reasons =/= wanting to establish a theocracy.

Awesome. Really, what the Constitution needs is less of those rights and more restrictions on the populace.

[commando]

uh... nobody else of comparable national prominence comes as close to Osama Bin Laden in wanting to force their religious beliefs on the country. "Bring the Constitution into conformity with God's law." I didn't make that up, and I can't EVEN imagine any other credible candidate saying something so redneck... and here people were worried about Obama and Romney, who are both even handed enough to keep their beliefs out of the limelight and can probably see how messed up it would be to use a position of power to force their belief system/agenda on the WHOLE COUNTRY. On the other hand, Huck doesn't scare me, because he doesn't seem capable of convincing anybody except his followers and plus he doesn't strike me as the violent type-- just the dumb type.

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Awesome. Really, what the Constitution needs is less of those rights and more restrictions on the populace.

It's not like I'm saying that I approve of his ideas. I'm just saying it's very disingenuous to frame them in terms of him trying to impose religion on people as a scaremongering tactic. If, for example, the guy said we should repeal the Second Amendment because God doesn't like people killing each other, it'd be a dumb idea and an even dumber justification for it...but at its core it'd be an issue of gun control and civil rights, not religious freedom and theocracy.

Most of Huckabee's ideas are bad enough on their own merits. It's not necessary to act like he's some theocratic bogeyman-in-waiting.

Originally Posted by commando

uh... nobody else of comparable national prominence comes as close to Osama Bin Laden in wanting to force their religious beliefs on the country.

Oh please. If you play that game, then you might as well allow the "Obama = Muslim" slurs to go on too. After all, he comes closer to being a Muslim (by virtue of having one in his family) than all the other Presidential candidates. Your logic here is utterly ridiculous.

[Mayfuck]

barack obama? more like black-o-rama

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

barack obama? more like black-o-rama

LOL


barack the vote

[Rockin' Cherub]

he's the kung fu hippie from gangsta city

[Mayfuck]

did you see that thread about hillary clinton on hipinion?

[TuralyonW3]

aww, corgy doesn't realize that a twat like huckabee is undefendable

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

aww, corgy doesn't realize that a twat like huckabee is undefendable

Just because the guy is a terrible presidential candidate with mostly terrible ideas doesn't mean that every bad thing someone can say about the guy is true. Maybe it's just a little hometown bias on my part, but I just don't get why people think it's terrible when a twat like Obama is smeared, but then defend similar tactics against a twat like Huckabee. I'm just asking for some fucking consistency out of you guys.

[TuralyonW3]

you know who's a twat for real though is clinton's new campaign manager, getta load of that guy

[Thaniel Buckner]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Awesome. Really, what the Constitution needs is less of those rights and more restrictions on the populace.

this is what i've always found ridiculous about this constitutional amendment rhetoric the neocons love. they don't understand why it exists. there's a reason "queers can't get married" isn't already on there.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

often older people who say younger people "don't understand" might have a point. but what pisses me off is that the stupid ones ALWAYS pull that card and actually truly believe that they're right.

it's terrifying.

I really wanted to say, "If by 'you don't understand' you mean that I don't know what it is like to live my life completely ruled by baseless racist fears fed by people you are too ignorant to question, to live my life fed by hate mongering Fox News sensationalism, to live my life blindly following things I know nothing about, than no, I do not fucking understand."

But I didn't because, you know, it's my girlfriend's mom.

[Ol' Couch Ass]

Fuck he's a Muslim?>?? let's waterboard him and get to the bottom of this!!!

[commando]

Originally Posted by Corganist

Oh please. If you play that game, then you might as well allow the "Obama = Muslim" slurs to go on too. After all, he comes closer to being a Muslim (by virtue of having one in his family) than all the other Presidential candidates. Your logic here is utterly ridiculous.

wow. I actually think you were unable to understand my logic at all ...like, egregiously. What I said had fuck all to do with the flavor of the religion, just rehearsing the equation of its imposition on public policy by way of the fanaticism of one of its politically prominent adherents.

Also, I don't consider calling someone a Muslim to be a slur. You're a different type of guy.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Thaniel Buckner

this is what i've always found ridiculous about this constitutional amendment rhetoric the neocons love. they don't understand why it exists. there's a reason "queers can't get married" isn't already on there.

i'm ok if a state wants to ban same sex marriages though. i wouldn't vote for it, and it's not a Constitutional issue though

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by commando

wow. I actually think you were unable to understand my logic at all ...like, egregiously. What I said had fuck all to do with the flavor of the religion, just rehearsing the equation of its imposition on public policy by way of the fanaticism of one of its politically prominent adherents.

It doesn't matter what you were talking about. Your logic was terrible regardless. If you can justify comparing Huckabee to Osama Bin Laden solely on the idea that Huckabee is somehow closer to him in his beliefs than the other candidates, then you can justify any horrible kind of inaccurate attack on a candidate. Just because the spectrum of "belief about the amount of religion's role in society" runs something like:

Other Candidates < Huckabee <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bin Laden

doesn't mean that it's fair or accurate to mention Huckabee in the same sentence as Bin Laden in any way, shape, or form. But I suspect that you know that. A couple questionable quotes made on the campaign trail shouldn't leave someone open for comparisons to a guy who has murdered thousands of people in the name of his religion.

Also, I don't consider calling someone a Muslim to be a slur.

I don't either...but the people who send out e-mails like the one that this thread is about do. The point is that he's not a Muslim, so it's improper to say he is. But by your logic, it should be fair game to label Obama as one since "nobody else is closer" to being a Muslim in this race. Surely you see how ridiculous and unfair that is.

[Nimrod's Son]

let's just all agree to agree that Huckabee is an idiot

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

let's just all agree to agree that Huckabee is an idiot

I think we already do. I just don't think he's that much worse than all the other idiots, that's all.