I wish Machina wasnt so insincere

[Shinobi]

All the Pumpkins albums have a distinct feel and mood to em, and depending on my mood i feel like listening to diff albums...its like a buffet, and ive taken many servings of machina 1 & 2, and i will take many more, when the mood suits. I love the distorted and heavy production of the songs, and i like all the songs, just some less than others. Ive read alot of people dumping on machina as time goes on, i guess its just diff strokes for diff folks...

im glad that i enjoy machina and dont dump on it, makes my buffet selection broader and the more pumpkins you sincerely enjoy and appreciate the better, so i count myself fortuate in that respect

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

I wish Corgan could have just made a proper album instead of hiding behind outlandish concepts. It ruins any respect I had for him and it destroys the legacy of the band.

totally agree - and adore was such a direct, mature (in the best sense of the word) expression of grief and loss that it sucked how much Everlasting Gaze, our first glimpse of the magnunm opus, stunk of a band trying to apologetically re-assert their rock credentials. They had nothing to be sorry for except making one of the most brave and original records of the 90s! who else was referencing gary numan and new order in 1998?? That said, the best songs on machina - i.e. try try try, age of innocence - sound as sincere, urgent and unforced as the soupy, proggy epics don't.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by mojo

who else was referencing gary numan and new order in 1998??

[mojo]

Originally Posted by slunken

okay, more accurately gary numan's former band tubeway army with whom he recorded replicas and - even more specifically - its two hits are friends electric? and down in the park (later covered appallingly by m manson). corgan mentioned numan's influence around the time of adore's release and was photographed backstage at one of his gigs.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Shinobi

All the Pumpkins albums have a distinct feel and mood to em,

my main beef with w/ the zeitgeist tour

[Shinobi]

Originally Posted by slunken

my main beef with w/ the zeitgeist tour

That the distinct feel didnt come out when they played the songs?

[smashingjj]

i'm really enjoying machine right now. some of its songs, to be more precise