Universal Healthcare is Wonderful and Will Ensure Better Health care for everyone

[Trotskilicious]

one of the problems is that doctors should be getting into that game because they want to help people and heal them, and i think most of them still do, but there is certainly a significant proportion of them who are doing it to be rich and have a big metaphorical dick

[Trotskilicious]

why do i read omega concern posts they're so stupid it's bewildering

[reprise85]

i agree with you. my psychiatrist charges $125 for 20 minutes and i think $190 for 50 minutes. which is actually probably on the low side. he does therapy though, and the 20 min sessions are basically 30 minute ones. he is very specialized on trauma related stuff as well. i think the only other cases he has are developmental disabilities. he also has reduced rates for some people. i paid $100 a visit for a while, but when i started working again i decided to go to the normal rate. my decision. but yeah im sure he could charge less and still make a shit ton of money.

i think it's a uniquely challenging job, though. basically you are responsible for the lives of all of these people... but in an extra way. you have to protect them from themselves and for a small minority, protect society from them. you will have clients who kill themselves. you will have clients who call you once a week at 3 in the morning. you will have clients who stalk you. you will have clients who try to physically hurt you. you will have to commit people. you will have to testify in court cases and contact police and child welfare offices.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

one of the problems is that doctors should be getting into that game because they want to help people and heal them, and i think most of them still do, but there is certainly a significant proportion of them who are doing it to be rich and have a big metaphorical dick

totally.

[reprise85]

there was some convo i saw on my facebook that involved doctors. someone who i dont know said "generally doctors only make you sicker anyway " and i really wanted to be like... what the fuck are you talking about. shit like that really grinds my gears.

I have never heard of therapists being on call 24/7 and I've been going more or less my whole life

[Order 66]

yeah.. those kind of p-docs i'm fine with making bank. every one i've seen is like 'here is pills kthnx bye'

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Aeris Hilton

I have never heard of therapists being on call 24/7 and I've been going more or less my whole life

I've called mine during off hours. She has an emergency voicemail that she checks regularly. Not exactly on call, but available by phone just about anytime.

[Order 66]

scotty quit being a dick

If it helps reprise
I am also dead against education costing so much that it dooms doctors to insane debt
I'm on the up and up here
That would also be part of president Casey's reforms

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Aeris Hilton

I have never heard of therapists being on call 24/7 and I've been going more or less my whole life

I've only ever called my therapist once and it was at a decent hour. But, if I had to, I know I could get her at any time. I have her cell phone number. She gave me it about six months after I started seeing her.

I have called my psychiatrist at all hours, but not in a very long time. When I was in and out of hospitals, though, I prob called him in the middle of the night five or so times in a year. His cell phone number is on his voice mail. He's actually called me a few times after sessions to tell me something he thought of later, or to make sure I got home okay after being particularly dissociated. I've been seeing him for like five years now.

Some mental health doctors won't do the call me any time thing, and I don't blame them. Some of them will be wary with some patients because they know they will abuse this privilege. They have to have strong boundaries and be able to tell you if you go overboard with the contact and suggest things like meeting in person more often. The vast majority of patients respect their doctors, though.

I think it's a trauma specialist thing, and a commitment thing. These docs belong to organizations and continue to learn about conditions not because they have to for licensure, but because they want to be the best doctors they can be. These are the doctors everyone needs to search for. Keep looking until you find the ones who are, besides being great doctors, good people. At this point in my life, I don't need doctors I can reach at any time. But I did at one point, and if a doctor decides they want to do it, it's a lot more commitment.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Order 66

yeah.. those kind of p-docs i'm fine with making bank. every one i've seen is like 'here is pills kthnx bye'

yeah this kind of thing is ridiculous.

also a problem is that insurance doesn't want to pay for anything but med checks with psychiatrists. if they would pay for short sessions, doctors might feel they can get more personally involved. as it is, they don't want to upset you in their office because if you have to stay there for a long time they won't get paid for it and it will delay all of their other patients. they also dont get a lot of therapeutic training unless they seek it out.

which i think is probably why my psychiatrist doesn't take insurance. if he did, he couldn't do longer sessions and do therapy. im sure he likes to get paid right away too though.

[sppunk]

My favorite part of this I think is the site's security certificate was fudged, ie the CIO wouldn't sign it because the site WS never really tested for security.

CBS News has learned that Trenkle, the Chief Information Officer for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), was originally supposed to sign off on security for the glitch-ridden website before its Oct. 1 launch, but didn't. Instead, the authorization on September 27 was given by Trenkle's boss, CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner.

As CBS News reported Monday, security assessments fell behind and the website never had the required top-to-bottom tests.

Trenkle and two other CMS officials, including Chief Operating Officer Michelle Snyder, signed an unusual "risk acknowledgement" saying that the agency's mitigation plan for rigorous monitoring and ongoing tests did "not reduce the (security) risk to the ... system itself going into operation on October 1, 2013."

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

I've called mine during off hours. She has an emergency voicemail that she checks regularly. Not exactly on call, but available by phone just about anytime.

yeah not on call as in like, feel free to call im expecting it. more like, if you need me i'm here as a last resort or if something really terrible happens.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

no I'm not. Although protest voting in the United States defies logic, that is irrelevant to anything that has been said for about a dozen pages. I'm pissed because of your propensity towards arguing through straw man by purposeful "misinterpretation" (read: deliberate manipulation) of everything I say into ridiculous bombastic extremes that you evidently see as easier to knock down anything I am actually saying.

Do you ever wonder if you're suffering from political stockholm syndrome? You readily admit to some of Obama's faults, yet you continue to support him anyway. Some of these faults, at least to me are big enough for me to abandon the democrat party. The dems have changed, they are more leftist and authoritative than ever before. The only thing that separates dems from repubs now are a few issues such as gay rights and abortion. But now we have pro war dems.... which really freaks me out. I voted for Kerry, who has always been anti war, but then he insists on invading one of the oldest countries on the planet, which would have been a huge mistake. I feel as if a lot of the dems have lost their minds. They are no better than repubs now.

When you put Obama up against Romney, and ask for me to vote for the lesser of two evils, because I should support the two party system.... no, forget it. It's pointless. You're getting more of the same when you vote for more of the same. Nothing changes when you keep repeating the same mistakes over again....I can't consciously participate in that any longer. Maybe it is a protest vote. I'm a conscientious objector of the insanity that has run rampant in this country among our "leaders".

[Future Boy]

in your face rbg

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Starla

They are no better than repubs now.

let's not say things that we can't take back.

[Bread Regal]

it was either yesterday or today that Boehner said the ENDA bill wouldn't even be put to a vote in the senate. that's just up and down completely shitty.

Republicans are motivated by pure spite. They would prefer to kill off a program that helps millions if it means that a handful of people won't be able to game the system, even if it comes at a higher societal cost.

[Trotskilicious]

it's completely dedicated philosophical self-centeredness

it's breathtaking

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Starla

Do you ever wonder if you're suffering from political stockholm syndrome? You readily admit to some of Obama's faults, yet you continue to support him anyway. Some of these faults, at least to me are big enough for me to abandon the democrat party. The dems have changed, they are more leftist and authoritative than ever before. The only thing that separates dems from repubs now are a few issues such as gay rights and abortion. But now we have pro war dems.... which really freaks me out. I voted for Kerry, who has always been anti war, but then he insists on invading one of the oldest countries on the planet, which would have been a huge mistake. I feel as if a lot of the dems have lost their minds. They are no better than repubs now.

When you put Obama up against Romney, and ask for me to vote for the lesser of two evils, because I should support the two party system.... no, forget it. It's pointless. You're getting more of the same when you vote for more of the same. Nothing changes when you keep repeating the same mistakes over again....I can't consciously participate in that any longer. Maybe it is a protest vote. I'm a conscientious objector of the insanity that has run rampant in this country among our "leaders".

your second favorite tactic: responding argument which has nothing to do with what you are responding to.

[Trotskilicious]

OH SNAP HE'S DEFINING TACTICS

[Starla]

lol

[Starla]

Obama could blow Syria and Iran into bits, continue to expand more on the patriot act and he'd still vote him into a 3rd term if he could. That's democracy.

[hnibos]

del

[duovamp]

I'd support that agenda tbh.

[duovamp]

Fuckin dune coons.

[Order 66]

they bombed us first

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

OH SNAP HE'S DEFINING TACTICS

to be fair that post of hers was pretty startlingly dumb.

"democrat party" ok starla

"more leftist than ever before" ok starla just stop

[Eulogy]

pro war dems as a new thing jesus fucking christ i can't even with this place

[Trotskilicious]

what's wrong with democrat party why do the democrats always get mad about that