Universal Healthcare is Wonderful and Will Ensure Better Health care for everyone

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

a workable solution.

But that's the thing, I doubt you think any other solution but yours is workable. Thats where all the unrealistic/uninformed/purity troll arrogant bullshit of yours comes from.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

a workable solution. you really love to refer to me misstating your position but then you hide the ball and say you don't want to state it again. really annoying.

I love this. If you simply didnt understand and wanted clarification, ok I'd give it a go. But instead you just mock and post more bullshit, and then can still somehow think you are worth the effort.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

But that's the thing, I doubt you think any other solution but yours is workable. Thats where all the unrealistic/uninformed/purity troll arrogant bullshit of yours comes from.

what's your solution

I love this. If you simply didnt understand and wanted clarification, ok I'd give it a go. But instead you just mock and post more bullshit, and then can still somehow think you are worth the effort.

this is exactly what i said you do. hide the ball. because i don't think you actually have any good ideas.

i'm worth the effort to make snide, useless remarks but not for you to tell me what you're actually blathering about? k guy. keep it up.

[Eulogy]

you're just the other side of the redbreegull coin

[Eulogy]

i want single payer. as i believe you do.

a public option would have been my second choice. the individual mandate without a public option is the third. it is better. it is not great. it is not perfect. but do you really think it's not better? do you think not voting so more republicans get more control is a better alternative? what is it that you want?

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

what's your solution



this is exactly what i said you do. hide the ball. because i don't think you actually have any good ideas.

also here, like, Ive come much closer to answering yours than you have mine. Shit is fucked, let it die and hope it doesnt take the idea of single payer with it. My idea was to not pass this POS bill, unfortunately we're left riding out you and the other wonderkids grand vision.

I dont have a plan to take us out of the shithole you morons happy talked us into? OMG, what a joker I am.

So now, what is the path to single payer if this ACA even remotely works, if this expands coverage and somehow keeps costs down enough that voters actually want to keep it around, where will the support be to rework the system again? Is your answer to that seriously just that eventually years from now demographics will be on our side and we'll be in permanent dem majority utopia?

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i'm worth the effort to make snide, useless remarks but not for you to tell me what you're actually blathering about?

pretty much yeah

[Future Boy]

no this isnt better

[Future Boy]

but seriously if you act like an arrogant dick people may not want to keep speaking with you, I cant imagine this being the first time you're hearing this

[The Omega Concern]

The Liberal's are all in a tizzy because their Utopian Progressive political philosophy is squaring up with the harsh reality its all a bunch of bullshit.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

It's demographics.

What's your plan?

STFU with your regurgitated DNC talking point bullshit. As a matter of fact, we'd all be a lot better off right now had the government not decided to add 20,000 IRS agents to enforce Obamacare. An honest liberal would cringe at the notion, so I take it your just another statist fool.




Here's a real solution:



Arrest the criminals in D.C. Reach back to the previous 3 administrations and round up the Bushy's and the Clinton's for their war crimes. That would shake the foundation of the criminality to its core and then maybe we can get on with dismantling the stranglehold the MIC has on energy tech.


Release the new tech into the marketplace to drop the price of energy to mere pennies on the dollar to what we're paying now. This would go a tremendously long way to curb the prices of, everything.


Then, maybe, just maybe, a bunch of these ludicrous Utopian Statist ideals could actually work.


But when you have a lying liar telling BIG LIES about the goals of his healthcare legislation, well, the criminality of the previous 3 President's into this one just continues and nothing will get better, especially with willing fools such as yourself looking the other way at the criminality of this President.


No Change. No Hope.

[Future Boy]

ok scratch mine, I want to happen

[The Omega Concern]

Why Obamacare is a Success......by Wayne Allyn Root




There are 2 major political parties in America. I’m a member of the naïve, stupid, and cowardly one. I’m a Republican. How stupid is the GOP? They still don’t get it. I told them 5 years ago, 2 books ago, a national bestseller ago (“The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide”), and in hundreds of articles and commentaries, that Obamacare was never meant to help America, or heal the sick, or lower healthcare costs, or lower the debt, or expand the economy.


The GOP needs to stop calling Obamacare a “trainwreck.” That means it’s a mistake, or accident. That means it’s a gigantic flop, or failure. It’s NOT. This is a brilliant, cynical, and purposeful attempt to damage the U.S. economy, kill jobs, and bring down capitalism. It’s not a failure, it’s Obama’s grand success. It’s not a “trainwreck,” Obamacare is a suicide attack. He wants to hurt us, to bring us to our knees, to capitulate- so we agree under duress to accept big government.

Obama’s hero and mentor was Saul Alinsky - a radical Marxist intent on destroying capitalism. Alinksky’s stated advice was to call the other guy “a terrorist” to hide your own intensions. To scream that the other guy is “ruining America,” while you are the one actually plotting the destruction of America. To claim again and again…in every sentence of every speech…that you are “saving the middle class,” while you are busy wiping out the middle class.

The GOP is so stupid they can’t see it. There are no mistakes here. This is a planned purposeful attack. The tell-tale sign isn’t the disastrous start to Obamacare. Or the devastating effect the new taxes are having on the economy. Or the death of full-time jobs. Or the overwhelming debt. Or the dramatic increases in health insurance rates. Or the 70% of doctors now thinking of retiring- bringing on a healthcare crisis of unimaginable proportions. Forget all that.

The real sign that this is a purposeful attack upon capitalism is how many Obama administration members and Democratic Congressmen are openly calling Tea Party Republicans and anyone who wants to stop Obamacare “terrorists.” There’s the clue. Even the clueless GOP should be able to see that. They are calling the reasonable people…the patriots…the people who believe in the Constitution…the people who believe exactly what the Founding Fathers believed…the people who want to take power away from corrupt politicians who have put America $17 trillion in debt…terrorists?

That’s because they are Saul Alinsky-ing the GOP. The people trying to purposely hurt America, capitalism and the middle class…are calling the patriots by a terrible name to fool, confuse and distract the public.

Obamacare is a raving, rollicking, fantastic success. Stop calling it a failure. Here is what it was created to do. It is succeeding on all counts.

#1) Obamacare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream- redistribution of wealth. Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote Democrat). Think about it. If you’re rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own healthcare costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people’s costs too (through massive tax increases). So you’re stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke. Brilliant.

#2) Obamacare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on government. Think about it. Even Obama’s IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or $50K, or $60K can’t possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without becoming homeless. Bingo. That’s how you make middle class people dependent on government. That’s how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant.

#3) As a bonus, Obamacare is intended to kill every decent paying job in the economy, creating only crummy, crappy part-time jobs. Why? Just to make sure the middle class is trapped, with no way out. Just to make sure no one has the $20,000 per year to pay for health insurance, thereby guaranteeing they become wards of the state. Brilliant.

#4) Obamacare is intended to bankrupt small business, and therefore starve donations to the GOP.Think about it. Do you know a small business owner? I know hundreds of them. Their rates are being doubled, tripled and quadrupled by Obamacare. Guess who writes 75% of the checks to Republican candidates and conservative causes? Small business. Even if a small business owner manages to survive, he or she certainly can’t write a big check to the GOP anymore. Money is the “mother’s milk” of politics. Without donations, a political party ceases to exist. Bingo. That’s the point of Obamacare. Obama is bankrupting his political opposition and drying up donations to the GOP. Brilliant.

#5) Obamacare is intended to make the IRS all-powerful. It adds thousands of new IRS agents. It puts the IRS in charge of overseeing 15% of the U.S. economy. The IRS has the right because of Obamacare to snoop into every aspect of your life, to go into your bank accounts, to fine you, to frighten you, to intimidate you. And Obama and his socialist cabal have access to your deepest medical secrets. By law your doctor has to ask your sexual history. That information is now in the hands of Obama and the IRS to blackmail GOP candidates into either not running, or supporting bigger government, or leaking the info and ruining your campaign. Or have you forgotten the IRS harassed, intimidated and persecuted critics of Obama and conservative groups? Now Obama hands the IRS even more power. Big Brother rules our lives. Brilliant.

#6) Obamacare is intended to unionize 15 million healthcare workers. That produces $15 billion in new union dues. That money goes to fund Democratic candidates and socialist causes- thereby guaranteeing Obama’s friends never lose another election, and Obama’s policies keep ruining capitalism and bankrupting business owners long after he’s out of office.

Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism. This isn’t a trainwreck. It’s purposeful suicide. It’s not failing, it’s working exactly according to plan. Obama knows what he’s doing. Stop apologizing and start fighting. John Boehner: you said this isn’t a DAMN Game.....how right you were. You just didn’t know it.

Oh and one more thing…Conservatives aren’t “terrorists.” We are patriots and saviors. We represent the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. We are the heroes and good guys. Unless you get all this through your thick skulls, America is lost…forever.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

ok scratch mine, I want to happen

If Obama did what he did in the private sector about saying over and over again "if you like your health plan, you can keep it', he could be indicted for fraud. Because that is exactly what he was doing, being fraudulent.


He knew full well people would lose their plans, but he told the lie anyway. That's fraud.


And I'm supposed to give anyone extolling the virtues of this plan a moment to listen to their ideas about how this will get better in time? lol. It's not. Obama is a scapegoat like all Presidents are these days. The elite go forward with their one world government plans and U.S. Presidents get paid to take the fall for it. Period.

They get PAAAAID. Obama and the Clinton's with Caymen accounts. The Bushy's with 70,000 acres in Paraguay, which also sits on one of the largest natural aquifers in the world. it pays to be a stooge for the NWO cabalist.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

but seriously if you act like an arrogant dick people may not want to keep speaking with you, I cant imagine this being the first time you're hearing this

pot kettle etc.

[Eulogy]

and so you have no plan. just repeal the ACA and go back to what we had before. sounds awesome.

[Eulogy]

and you're on the same side as toc. for whatever that's worth.

[duovamp]

Nah it makes you look like a badass when you just take shots at what's actually possible to get done through compromise. I'm such a fucking rebel.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

pot kettle etc.

I dont act arrogant, Im just a dick, and thats a gen board thing mostly. But lets say I did, Im not going around wanting people to have serious substantive discussions after ending almost all my "serious" exchanges by calling the other side an idiot. If you recognize that you act like a dick you cant hold others not wanting to discuss things with you against them. Well you can, but it just sort of reinforces the whole arrogant dickness thing.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

and so you have no plan. just repeal the ACA and go back to what we had before. sounds awesome.

in the long run it would be better, yeah, but you cant imagine that possibility so in your mind it amounts to being unrealistic and having no plan.

and look, the guy cl******g for an answer avoids my question yet again.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

I dont act arrogant

LOL

in the long run it would be better, yeah, but you cant imagine that possibility so in your mind it amounts to being unrealistic and having no plan.

and look, the guy cl******g for an answer avoids my question yet again.

so, you don't have a plan. and what's your question? whether or not i think progress will come with time? i do think that, yes.

[Eulogy]

if you think the ACA is worse than what we had before, i really don't know what to tell you. you think people with preexisting conditions should be unable to get insurance? that plans should be essentially nonexistent? that 22-year-olds shouldn't be able to stay on their parents' plan?

[Eulogy]

lifetime caps are also better i guess

the website is broken so let's destroy the whole thing!

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

LOL

Like, I know why Duo hates me (jelousy,duh). Do I go around all Oh my god, why wont he reply, Im so awesome, its sooo annoying...

Originally Posted by Eulogy

so, you don't have a plan. and what's your question? whether or not i think progress will come with time? i do think that, yes.

what could my question possibly be? Maybe I should type it out somewhere a couple of times.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

if you think the ACA is worse than what we had before, i really don't know what to tell you.

in time, overall, yeah it'll be worse because it will push better solutions farther away. but you're more of a reactionary short term gain guy. The long run escapes you.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

you think people with preexisting conditions should be unable to get insurance? that plans should be essentially nonexistent? that 22-year-olds shouldn't be able to stay on their parents' plan?

yes thats exactly what I think.

if I rejected a gun control bill because it didnt go far enough you'd tell me I supported the NRA and didnt care about gun crime victims.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

the website is broken so let's destroy the whole thing!

I felt this way before the website debuted as a national embarrassment, thats just been nothing but entertaining

[Eulogy]

so you just think it didn't go far enough? that's what your gun control analogy implies. i agree with that. but to say that this is worse than the previous system is just reactionary and, yes, dumb. it's not worse. how in the hell does this make better solutions farther away? that is utter nonsense.

you really think that nothing is better than this? that a repeal would be beneficial? i don't even believe you.

[Future Boy]

you used your lawyering tricks to get me discussing things, you slick bastard

[Eulogy]

also i generally only think about the long run. which is why i hate protest votes.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

but to say that this is worse than the previous system is just reactionary and, yes, dumb. it's not worse.

not really what I said, but its easier for you to argue against this Im sure.

Originally Posted by Eulogy

how in the hell does this make better solutions farther away? that is utter nonsense.

you really think that nothing is better than this? that a repeal would be beneficial? i don't even believe you.

Originally Posted by Future Boy

but you cant imagine that possibility so in your mind it amounts to being unrealistic and having no plan.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

in time, overall, yeah it'll be worse because it will push better solutions farther away. but you're more of a reactionary short term gain guy. The long run escapes you.

?

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

also i generally only think about the long run..

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i don't even believe you.

[Eulogy]

still waiting for your plan.

[Eulogy]

what do you want to happen? and how is it possible?

[Eulogy]

arc of the moral universe blah blah